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DonnOlsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/15/2008 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1662 |
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Hi,
Given this: Another factor affecting Harimoto is his higher education. His score can get him into Meiji University(Mizutani, Niwa, Uda, Togami...), but his parents want him to attend Todai/UTokyo(University of Tokyo), and if not possible then Tohoku University. So he's been training, studying and playing all at the same time. We now can terminate the reasonable anticipation of a very special table tennis giant emerging in Tomokazu Harimoto. No one can both compete at the highest level of an extremely competitive sport and successfully prepare for university acceptance and multiple collegiate years of study. No one. This is because, while during your hours and hours of study and classroom participation daily, your top opponents are training in excellent environments, devoting all their energies to the singular pursuit, under the direction of senior coaches. In this context today, Harimoto is so great that he can be a very strong professional player, however he will never be the one of surpassing brilliance that he was positioned for. More than anyone in table tennis history, his track was to the heavens. Ma Long stated publicly that he himself was not as good a Harimoto at the early ages. No evidence was available to indicate the Chinese had any player of his caliber at Harimoto's age. All was set for a historic figure rising. All of this is now gone. That once-in-a-lifetime specialness will not be. For that expectation which he created, turn away and look elsewhere for hope. It is not clear where to look. Replaced for the enormity of historic proportions for the sport of table tennis is a tincture of lift in the academics. This is not a trade off dreams are made of. Thanks. |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Online Points: 7655 |
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LGL predicted in an interview in early 2018 that Harimoto's peak would probably arrive in Paris 2024 instead of Tokyo 2020, but whether the coaches could bring him to that level would be another story. By that time, he will be in his junior or senior year, and should have enough credits to graduate. Once he gets admitted to college, he will have more free time. Therefore, education will mostly hinder his progress for another year or two.
Harimoto himself expressed that Paris 2024 wouldn't necessarily be his peak in an interview after Tokyo 2020. The bigger problem right now is he has doubts about his game. It's not certain his coaches could help him overcome that. https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/45966-2021-09-08-05-00-07.html
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Ma Long had the highest peak of Chinese juniors and Masters next to him with the greatest Main coach on his side and Main coach learn the greatest training coaches how to be the greatest coaches to the juniors and Masters Harimoto without mentors, training partners be like whale without water. I think he should sleep and training half of year in Germany with Timo and Ovtcharov, Jorgic, Kallberg , Kanak, Calderano and pressure backhands of these guys every hours and 2 months sits in China and pressure forehand to forehand every provintional player |
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I do not understand his parents logic. Harimoto could potentially make mid to high 6 figures just from playing table tennis. He can always go back to college later. I don't get it.
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liulin04 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/20/2003 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 6085 |
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College is overrated. What's the point of going to college when you're a pro tt player, as very very likely that he will resume tt again once he graduates. Might as well let him keep playing while making money, and he gets to enjoy what he does.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Online Points: 7655 |
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Mentality on education is different in Asian countries.
Edited by zeio - 11/27/2021 at 6:34pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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TT newbie ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/25/2011 Location: Far Far Away Status: Offline Points: 1309 |
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Exactly. This choice of mixing college and table tennis is not professional at all. I remember that movie Moneyball, when scouters go to young Brad Pitt house and make him an offer to play professional baseball. His mother innocently asks if he could attend university and play professional baseball. So they explain that it was not possible, if he chose baseball he would have to quit college. So simple and so obvious, it happens in every professional sport, but Harimoto parents seems to ignore this fact.
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koshkin ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/30/2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 505 |
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I wouldn't necessarily write him off yet. Because he became so good so early, the way he is likely to mature both physically and psychologically is likely a little different from players who were not as successful in their early/mid teens.
Taking his mind off of table tennis for a year (i.e. practicing, but not focusing/obsessing on table tennis as the be all of everything) will be good for him. We all tend to think that focused and deliberate non-stop practice is the only way to get to the top, but that is, to a good degree, a function of this sport really dominated by the Asian school of training. It clearly works, but as many other sports have shown it is not the only way. I see this effect in my primary sport a good bit and in other sports I have interest in. I do not see why table tennis would be any different. There is a good book on the subject called Range by David Epstein. Given how young Harimoto is, I would not make too many assumptions for a couple of years given where his mind is at the moment. ILya |
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Maybe his father think he wont improve more in the future.
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Even if he doesn't improve much, and I think he will improve a lot once he stops growing, he can still make a ton of money playing at his current level. Even if he goes to a top college and lands some investment banking dream job, it will take him a few years of working 80=100 hours a week to make the money he currently makes. I am just baffled but it is his life, so maybe it makes sense to him.
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Yeah. Imo he can always go back to college after his professional career just like many ex CNT... They're doing more than fine.
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This article implys that Harimoto is in the 12th circle of hell of table tennis grip changes?!
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balldance ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/28/2009 Status: Offline Points: 229 |
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It’s unbelievable that Harimoto doesn’t feel good with his grip and can’t find a good racket after trying dozens of them. Nope, the problem is his technique and footwork, or more precise, his personal coach(es). They don’t find the right path to develop him. He might be stuck at this level until he has a new coach with new ideas. Meanwhile, other players are improving all the time.
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Accepting the apparent technical challenges he currently faces, the overwhelmingly central point of this discussion is the parental decision to transform their son from one of the exceptional young athletes in the world to a common university student, one among tens of millions. One in a million or ten million or 50 million. . . has the opportunity to be a sports' epic figure, to do what no one else has done. Harimoto is one of those positioned for this chance and it is thrown away in pursuit of the common, the orthodoxy, a membership in the upper group of the academic obedient. Harimoto will be a good student and attain good academic results. He will not be university noteworthy in any way that distinguishes him from millions of others. While it is a dream for parents around the world to have their children achieve something truly exceptional, these parents desire him to melt into the sea of the undistinguished. If an understanding is being carried over that the highest potential in the sport of table tennis may be achieved in a context of deep and extensive school study demands, then an ignorance of the life course trajectories of sports' greatest athletes in now in highly detrimental ascension. To be successful in any discipline in a special way is not a job or a vocation; it is a way of life, of living a certain life of commitment, diligence, and obsessive hard work, with a singular focus as central to that life. Any diversion will be exceedingly harmful. Few of these diversions hold such potential for harm in sports exceptionalism than long, long hours of academic study. Such resultant limitation will be evident when, in the arena, one encounters those who have taken the devoted, committed, singular-focus path of the sport; the outcomes will be telling of the cost. Appropriate to the awareness of these parents is a very significant moderating of Harimoto's sport expectation. In his future lies an average higher education attainment and a good professional career in the sport of table tennis. Not included in this expectation is a shooting star of remarkable brilliance in historic proportionalities. Any expectation that includes brightness is irretrievably dimmed. Thanks.
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Offline Points: 1673 |
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Liu said that harimoto coaches are really bad , he feels.sorry about him. Have you noticed that the japanese coach kurosawa wasnt in houston coaching harimoto as usual?
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For that expectation which he created, turn away and look elsewhere for hope. It is not clear where to look.
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Harimoto's got time. I personally believe he will make atleast one olympic or wttc final in his career.
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Kurosawa resigned from the Japanese coach position after the Olympics. I think Harimoto’s dad is coaching him. However, he has stalled for a few years, not just recent months. What did Liu say? He mean the match coaching or training coaching?
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Yosuke Kurashima (at least get his name right), stepped down after the olympics. Kunihito Tasei is the new head men's coach (Kurashima's doubles partner when they still played). Moving on from his father as coach would probably be ideal, but I imagine that is difficult when he was the one that brought you all that success in the first place.
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that is a far cry from the "next big thing" that was pronounced when he came into the spotlight
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I think he'll be fine, and he might even be better in the long run. Many all time great athletes went to college for a year or two (or in the old days all four) before turning pro. Harimoto has a giant head start and the luxury of time.
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ya, maybe when only one player per association. He is just not as "constant" as top CNT players. There was no "REAL" CNT player in his half draw this year, but he could not play on sunday in the single draw.
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I am glad that he is trying to diversify and challenge himself intellectually. If he does not go to school now, his brain will dry up. I am sure he can balance college and training. Maybe he could maintain low course load and stretch college by a couple extra years.
Money is not everything. And he is not giving up on making money off Butterfly. He will be #1 in Japan for the foreseeable future.
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I think his parents do not want him to be a world champion, but a normal Japanese child. Too much pressure on him may destroy him, espesially for an immigrant.
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Agree with you, this is exactly what most of the CNT members did, I know there may be some sorta favouritism or less pressure from Tsinghua or Peking authorities, but Ma Long took his time to complete his exams and graduated a couple years ago, I think Wang manyu or sun yingsha or both of them were admitted into college 2 years ago. Maybe zeio is more informed about this and can provide links
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Considering the ways in which most people across all sports are proclaimed to be the next big thing and then flame out, the fact he has become a top 3 player, won the world tour finals, 2nd place at world cup... He has absolutely lived up to expectations. He is playing below expectations right now, but to act like he is some sort of disappointment is insane.
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this. his career has only been a letdown if you have unreasonable standards. people forget just how hard it is to win a world championships or an olympics, no matter how successful you are early in your career. players don't all develop at the same times as well. it is just as likely that he peaked at 15, as it is that he will take the next step and dominate again at 25. |
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many of the those top players get degrees, few actually went to class to earn them fill in the blanks
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Liu said its too sad that there are no good japanese coaches and if HT would be trained un china it would be a súper player. I heard that about japanese coaches in the past , thats the reason ito has like 4 private coaches.
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