The End of the Harimoto Dream

liXiao wrote: tom wrote: manwithabigmission wrote: Harimoto's got time. I personally believe he will make atleast one olympic or wttc final in his career.  that is a far cry from the "next big thing" that was pronounced when he came into the spotlight Considering the ways in which most people across all sports are proclaimed to be the next big thing and then flame out, the fact he has become a top 3 player, won the world tour finals, 2nd place at world cup... He has absolutely lived up to expectations. He is playing below expectations right now, but to act like he is some sort of disappointment is insane.

Liu said its too sad  that there are no good japanese coaches and if HT would be trained un china it would be a súper player.

Liu might have said it or not, but there might be some problem with Japanese coaches IMO. Most JNT players stopped improving after their early 20s or even sooner, is it just coincidence? 

Edited by balldance - 12/02/2021 at 2:48pm

Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 12/02/2021 at 4:56pm

stiltt wrote: Being exposed internationally too early might be the issue? in China, they progress and toughen their skin and mental at home and only after that do they get to reach international stage. Also exposing a kid to adults too early might be a mistake. Being a wonder kid is great but after that, when they become adults, they need to start from scratch to get to the top level again as adults. That's twice the hard work and it takes a toll on a human being. Maybe it's better to let the kids play with kids and avoiding exposing kids to adult play might be key. This is just a proposition of course, I don't know $%^&. Harimoto just might be temporarily burnt out and that's why the studies idea is good, he needs to fresh up his mind with something else until he gets hungry again and enjoys playing.

Nah, I don't believe this, I believe what he said was "It remains to be seen if Japanese coaches can bring out the best from him, or he's not sure if Japanese coaches can bring out the best from him, at least that's from what I remember, saying" Japanese coaches" are not good is a very categorical or generalizing statement, And I don't think he said this in a public interview especially for the sake of diplomacy  This observation above has high plausibility. Thanks!!

If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach.

mykonos96 wrote: troubadour wrote: mykonos96 wrote: balldance wrote: mykonos96 wrote: balldance wrote: It’s unbelievable that Harimoto doesn’t feel good with his grip and can’t find a good racket after trying dozens of them. Nope, the problem is his technique and footwork, or more precise, his personal coach(es). They don’t find the right path to develop him. He might be stuck at this level until he has a new coach with new ideas. Meanwhile, other players are improving all the time. Liu said that harimoto coaches are really bad , he feels.sorry about him. Have you noticed that the japanese coach kurosawa wasnt in houston coaching harimoto as usual? Kurosawa resigned from the Japanese coach position after the Olympics. I think Harimoto’s dad is coaching him. However, he has stalled for a few years, not just recent months.  What did Liu say? He mean the match coaching or training coaching? Liu said its too sad  that there are no good japanese coaches and if HT would be trained un china it would be a súper player. I heard that about japanese coaches in the past , thats the reason ito has like 4  private coaches. Nah, I don't believe this, I believe what he said was "It remains to be seen if Japanese coaches can bring out the best from him, or he's not sure if Japanese coaches can bring out the best from him, at least that's from what I remember, saying" Japanese coaches" are not good is a very categorical or generalizing statement, And I don't think he said this in a public interview especially for the sake of diplomacy  You dont believe it but thats true, There s another interview where somebody said japanese coaches ruined some players. If they re not bad why ishikawa and ito has many coaches? The interview  is over there, I have seen that japanese coaches making multiball drills like they would be coaching a high school player. Well maybe  there must be a reason why japanese players perform so bad  1 National champion UDA lost in 1st round 2 Ishikawa lost 11 0 to Singapur player in Tokyo Olympics. 3 Niwa lost 11 0 to dima in Tokyo.

I literally watched the video, unless there's another video of him where he talks about that, And please do provide a link to the video.

Egghead wrote: chroot wrote: If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach. Did you miss the news when there was power struggle in the JNT? Don't think JNT will fire his dad

mykonos96 wrote: Egghead wrote: chroot wrote: If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach. Did you miss the news when there was power struggle in the JNT? Don't think JNT will fire his dad  Qiu made an excellent work with mizutani and maze.

zeio wrote: The misinformation in this thread cracks me up.

Egghead wrote: mykonos96 wrote: Egghead wrote: chroot wrote: If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach. Did you miss the news when there was power struggle in the JNT? Don't think JNT will fire his dad  Qiu made an excellent work with mizutani and maze. sry, my bad, I don't know Miz's dad was coaching Miz and was in the JNT coaching staff system before.

Egghead wrote: chroot wrote: If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach. Did you miss the news when there was power struggle in the JNT? Don't think JNT will fire his dad

he was out of training for long time before WTTC, two weeks later with small training camp he is  in top form in Singapure and looks like beast . it is unfair that he gets his position when he didnt use to be part of TT family and he is learning some bs to go to college, and people  like  Matsushima Sora who can be new prodigy and beat everybody with FZD on top shelf sits in home because dear Haribo didnt have mental attitude to say- sorry guys I have more problems with family and their college bs  than tt .

does anyone have an idea of the income of japanese pro players playing the T-league?

Edited by timoboll89 - 12/07/2021 at 4:19am