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Baal ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() Joined: 01/21/2010 Location: unknown Status: Offline Points: 14304 |
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Interesting. This is an issue at all levels, even at the levels a lot of us are at here at MyTT. If I try to look back objectively, Mizutani's description of Harimoto's problem is how I would have described my own fundamental weakness and why it persisted (obviously, at a vastly lower level of play). The same psychology and the same constantly comfortable training environment. If you really want to get better you have to seek out environments and players you hate to play.
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DonnOlsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/15/2008 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1662 |
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Hi,
One intriguing question is who will come with him? Is it Dad? Is it Mom? Is it neither? Also, who will be his primary developmental coach? Also, his parents brought over Chinese training partners to Japan for him. Will these training partners now accompany him to Europe? A many-year prevalent thought is that the Asian systems have superior training environments than are typically found in Europe. Without passing judgment on the accuracy of the prior statement, we have proof of the opinion that Japan as Japan was insufficient for his development, thus the Chinese training partners. From this I'm betting on the European augmentation of the Chinese training partners for him. Thanks.
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BeaverMD ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/09/2007 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1862 |
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The Miz spewing out some TRUTH! I understand the first two disadvantages: environment is too good, and focus on self (not adjusting to opponent). But what is the third one "he will be out of order as soon as he arrives at the competition" where he also talks about "negative shell". Of course, I'm using Google Translate. Also, did Miz really say for the Japanese players it was a "waste of time" to play in the T2? The folks at T2 can't be pleased with those comments. Again, maybe something is lost in translation.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7655 |
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The third one is about how he plays below par in the majors, that he plays safe. This negative tendency is common for everyone, the bigger the tournament, but he has to break that "negative shell". He has a great potential but he has yet to break that shell.
He said local players playing in the T.League is a waste of time. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7655 |
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https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/48452-2022-05-05-03-38-48.html
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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ZApenholder ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/04/2012 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 4469 |
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Harimoto is familiar with the Chinese system and styles, but not with European culture and styles. It is common for many Asians (not so much Chinese), to spend some time in Europe and to further learn the game of table tennis in a "European manner". It isn't just a playing style, but rather the entire system, and how they have a lot more fun than the East. Then playing style wise, you also playing against, bigger and more stronger players that play away from the table. It is quite a cultural shock and require time to adapt and I think this will allow Harimoto to mature more.
Well, at least that is why Lin is there. Edited by ZApenholder - 05/12/2022 at 2:07am |
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 209 |
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Welcome back ZApenholder, we missed you! (I used to be fatt)
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ZApenholder ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/04/2012 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 4469 |
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Thank you stiltt/fatt. why the name change, when did you change haha. Yeah, been quite a few years.....
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7655 |
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The (Miwa) Harimoto Dream lives on.
Latest in-depth 2-part interview with Miwa's brother on the pandemic, the Champion's League, his respect for LYJ and WCQ, the rise of Togami and Yokotani, his losses to Jorgic, Dyjas and Jha, the balance between his FH and BH(and the constant struggle with his dad over that), and more. Even Miwa's brother thought last year Miwa had to wait for Los Angeles 2028 but now thinks she has a legit shot at Paris 2024 after seeing she took a game from Ito. 張本智和インタビュー(前編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020952.html 張本智和インタビュー(後編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020956.html http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91465&PID=1124874&title=wtt-singapore-smash-2022-03-0703-20#1124874 https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1647220093/813-
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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DonnOlsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/15/2008 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1662 |
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Thank you so much!
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Colin Ksh ![]() Beginner ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/13/2022 Location: Myanmar Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Sorry to interrupt guys. I've been reading this whole thread from the very beginning but I don't understand the above statement. (during Tokyo Olympics ) 1. why don't harimoto feel good with his grip & 2. why can't he find a good racket? He's been using his hm innerforce alc since 2018 and got along pretty well with it isn't. |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 7655 |
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As he explained in the 9/2021 and 6/2022 interviews, it was the struggle with his dad over the balance between his FH and BH, which led to anxiety from the pressure to perform at the Olympics.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Colin Ksh ![]() Beginner ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/13/2022 Location: Myanmar Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I see.That means it doesn't have to do anything with his current equipment isn't. Harimoto is growing physically like alot. Gets slower compare to the previous years. I still remember in 2019 world your grand finals against xu xin though hm lost, he plays very aggressive and insane. But i believe once his puberty stops and he's stable, he will be able to adjust his playing style again and adapt it well.
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idk ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 739 |
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He is 19 now, and his physique doesn't look vastly different than it did in 2020, at which point he seemed to be tailing off his rapid growth spurt. I believe there is much more at play than simply the "body is changing" explanation - internal disagreements within his camp as Zeio reported seems like a much bigger factor.
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Colin Ksh ![]() Beginner ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/13/2022 Location: Myanmar Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I notice his grip when he serve is quite strange too i sometimes think if that could lead to less spin potential but not really just my guessing.
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balldance ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/28/2009 Status: Offline Points: 229 |
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In an interview, Harimoto used those reasons to explain his bad form at Tokyo Olympics. I didn’t agree with his explanation. I think he’s no difference from us amateur players, when we have bad form and low confidence, we may find problems with our grip, our equipments, 0.01 difference in rubber hardness, etc. but the real problem is likely our strategy or practice. With Harimoto, his development has stalled for a long time while the opponents have adapted to his style and found ways to beat him. He’s no better than himself 2-3 years ago, if not worse, and that’s why he was so low in confidence.
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LongLips ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 09/25/2021 Location: Austria Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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It will be interesting to see how he fares today against Lin Shidong. Not an easy first round draw
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DonnOlsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/15/2008 Location: Maryland, USA Status: Offline Points: 1662 |
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The answer is Miwa's brother: 3 - 2.
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Offline Points: 1673 |
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Lin is 17
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