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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote blahness Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/09/2022 at 10:13pm
Harimoto has always been improving - unlike many other players who tend to stay stagnant in their techniques. He has the kind of "optimising" mindset just like Ma Long. Every time I see him play I see some new stuff being added in. 
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Can people stop calling him Miwa's brother?

Even if his career ended abruptly tomorrow, he's achieved a lot on the international stage. He's deserving of the respect of having his name used.

Every year people doubt him based on an errant result(s) or a dip in form, as if a player whose been only competing from the ages of 11-19, against the worlds best, is meant to have insane consistency over the entire period.

It's pretty clear that outside of ML, FZD and probably WCQ, he's in that next category as a player, and probably at the forefront of that category.

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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

Can people stop calling him Miwa's brother?

Even if his career ended abruptly tomorrow, he's achieved a lot on the international stage. He's deserving of the respect of having his name used.

Every year people doubt him based on an errant result(s) or a dip in form, as if a player whose been only competing from the ages of 11-19, against the worlds best, is meant to have insane consistency over the entire period.

It's pretty clear that outside of ML, FZD and probably WCQ, he's in that next category as a player, and probably at the forefront of that category.



After his performance at Chengdu, he is officially in that league with the A team.
I think all those name calling started from Chinese fans who are anti any opposition.
To a certain degree, it does become cyber bullying.
But TH has used this wins to do the talking, just a pity there was no one else on his side to step up and get that 3rd point like the swedes had
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Harimoto on his naturalization after JPN 2-3 CHN and his message on his twitter.

https://the-ans.jp/column/272860/
帰化から8年、張本智和が持つ日本への愛 衝撃の中国斬り直後、明かした境遇への本音

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Quote 世界卓球という大舞台で中国から2点取れたことは、僕の卓球人生の中での最大の成果の一つだと思います。

もう決して勝てない存在ではない。
次は必ず金メダルを!


Edited by zeio - 10/14/2022 at 2:29pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
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after his performance in the recent wtttc, seems like the dream is only beginning

looking forward to wtt Macau 
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2022
Singapore Smash - Miwa's brother in MS and XD
WTT CT Zagreb - 20% Harimoto in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT SCT ESS - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT CS ESS - Harimoto
WTT CT Tunis - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTTC Finals - 100% of 100% Harimoto
WTT CS Macao - Miwa's brother
WTT CF Xinxiang - Harimoto?

2021
WTT CT Doha - 60% Harimoto
WTT SCT Doha - Harimoto
Tokyo 2020 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MT
WTTC Finals 2021 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTT CF Singapore - Harimoto

Edited by zeio - 10/20/2022 at 11:28am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/20/2022 at 12:14pm
More Tasei's thoughts on Harimoto. He was a little mad at Harimoto for faltering against Romania in the group. It seems to be an open secret that Jorgic is poor against lefties as Tasei was restless after losing Niwa.

田㔟££、成都を振り返る「ルーマニア戦の4番で集中力に問題があ£たように見えたので、張本に少しばかり怒りました」
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/33801
「中国に勝てるのは日本だけだ、ということを世界中に示した」田㔟££、10月8日の成都を振り返る
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/33890

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

It's revealed by Table Tennis Kingdom that Harimoto has worked on his FH issue under the guidance of Dong Qimin. Harimoto and Tasei attribute those 2 wins to his "surgical precision" FH.

https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/31410
Quote 張本にと�£て最優先の課題はやはりフォアハンドだと感じた、男子ナショナルチームの田勢邦史�£�£は、�£崎岷(トン・キミン)コーチに重点的な指導を依頼。動かされた時に「�£�びつき」や「回り込み」のフットワークで大きく動き、相手に打ち負けないこと。フォアハンドとバックハンドを切り替えた時に打球点を落とさず、足さばきの細かな微調整を行うこと。卓球は常に足を止めず、動きながら打ち続けるスポーツだ。大きく動いた時も、小さく動いた時も精度の高いフォアハンドを打つことを張本に求めた。

「特長であるバックハンドを伸ばすという視点がある一方で、やはり卓球は相手に弱点を攻められるスポーツなんです。(張本)智和はフォアハンドを課題として受け入れ、そこから目を背けずに改善に取り組んでくれた。中国戦では�£打で、何本でも良いボールを打てていたと思いますね」(田勢�£�£)

張本自身も中国戦後、「フォアハンドについてはフォームを大きく変えるというより、精度を高めてミスを減らすことを意識しています。今日の試合では早いラリーでも無理せず、コンパクトに振れていたし、状況に応じて良いフォアハンドが打てていた」と語�£ている。
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

2022
Singapore Smash - Miwa's brother in MS and XD
WTT CT Zagreb - 20% Harimoto in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT SCT ESS - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT CS ESS - Harimoto
WTT CT Tunis - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTTC Finals - 100% of 100% Harimoto
WTT CS Macao - Miwa's brother
WTT CF Xinxiang - Harimoto?

2021
WTT CT Doha - 60% Harimoto
WTT SCT Doha - Harimoto
Tokyo 2020 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MT
WTTC Finals 2021 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTT CF Singapore - Harimoto
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/03/2022 at 11:08am
Like LYJ with the guidance of Wei Qingguang, Harimoto is back on track with the guidance of Dong Qiwen.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92274&PID=1134482&title=wtt-cup-finals-xinxiang-2022-10-2730#1134482
Quote I'm evolving. I can proudly say that my backhand is second to none, and I can say that my forehand is in the top 4 (in the world). After entering university, the environment has changed, and I was able to practice as I wanted. Combined with the strengthening of physical training, he said, "if I practice, I'll get results. I can't be happier. I've come to like table tennis more than before."


2021/11/27
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91046&PID=1120542&title=the-end-of-the-harimoto-dream#1120542
Quote LGL predicted in an interview in early 2018 that Harimoto's peak would probably arrive in Paris 2024 instead of Tokyo 2020, but whether the coaches could bring him to that level would be another story. By that time, he will be in his junior or senior year, and should have enough credits to graduate. Once he gets admitted to college, he will have more free time. Therefore, education will mostly hinder his progress for another year or two.

Harimoto himself expressed that Paris 2024 wouldn't necessarily be his peak in an interview after Tokyo 2020. The bigger problem right now is he has doubts about his game. It's not certain his coaches could help him overcome that.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
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"I'm evolving. I can proudly say that my backhand is second to none, and I can say that my forehand is in the top 4 (in the world). After entering university, the environment has changed, and I was able to practice as I wanted. Combined with the strengthening of physical training, he said, "if I practice, I'll get results. I can't be happier. I've come to like table tennis more than before."

I guess something else is missing from his game - #1 in BH, and #4 in FH - he should be higher than #4
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"I'm evolving. I can proudly say that my backhand is second to none, and I can say that my forehand is in the top 4 (in the world). After entering university, the environment has changed, and I was able to practice as I wanted. Combined with the strengthening of physical training, he said, "if I practice, I'll get results. I can't be happier. I've come to like table tennis more than before."

I guess something else is missing from his game - #1 in BH, and #4 in FH - he should be higher than #4

Usually, we call that missing thing "time".  That said, he could just have a self-motivating inflated assessment of his game.


Edited by NextLevel - 11/03/2022 at 3:23pm
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FH looks improved a lot


https://youtu.be/Oz31swN1KJ4
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https://youtu.be/jogoXXhS5_8

This s not a new match. 
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2022
Singapore Smash - Miwa's brother in MS and XD
WTT CT Zagreb - 20% Harimoto in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT SCT ESS - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in XD
WTT CS ESS - Harimoto
WTT CT Tunis - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTTC Finals - 100% of 100% Harimoto
WTT CS Macao - Miwa's brother
WTT CF Xinxiang - Harimoto
Asian Cup Bangkok - Harimoto

2021
WTT CT Doha - 60% Harimoto
WTT SCT Doha - Harimoto
Tokyo 2020 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MT
WTTC Finals 2021 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MD and XD
WTT CF Singapore - Harimoto
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/22/2022 at 4:02am
His tweets on winning Asian Cup and reaching WR2.

https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1593980776479363072
Quote 「アジアカップ」優勝しました🥇
ついにアジアチ�£ンピオン、や�£とここまで来れました。
今年1年間、色々なことを乗り越えることができたからこその結果です。本当に心の底から嬉しいです。
そして、いつも支えてくれている全ての方々にたくさんの感謝をしたいです。
また次も頑張ります!


https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1594874439120089090
Quote ついに世界ランキング2位になりました!
自己最高位、そして日本男子最高位!

初めて3位にな£た日から約4年、ここまでとても長か£たです。
とても偉大な2人の間に入れて本当に感慨深いです。
1位とはまだまだ差がありますが、念願の世界ランキング1位を目指しても£と頑張ります!


Edited by zeio - 11/22/2022 at 4:04am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"I'm evolving. I can proudly say that my backhand is second to none, and I can say that my forehand is in the top 4 (in the world). After entering university, the environment has changed, and I was able to practice as I wanted. Combined with the strengthening of physical training, he said, "if I practice, I'll get results. I can't be happier. I've come to like table tennis more than before."

I guess something else is missing from his game - #1 in BH, and #4 in FH - he should be higher than #4

Up to #2. He passes my eye test. His recent wins over top CNT guys didn't seem like flukes. If he gets any better -- and being younger than any of them, he probably will -- the end of the Harimoto dream could be the beginning of the Harimoto nightmare for the CNT.
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looks like pretty soon the dream will end, and it will become a reality

those forehand drills look to be paying off, sheesh
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世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダリスト
張本智和インタビュー(前編)
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021681.html
世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダリスト
張本智和インタビュー(後編)
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021682.html

Butterfly's in-depth 2-part interview with Harimoto on WTTC Finals 2022 and beyond.

Before the SF against China, Harimoto feared not Brazil, not Slovenia, but Portugal the most, because they had 3 players.

As he stated in the previous 2-part interview, Harimoto thought WCQ was the hardest to deal with, and so he wanted to play ML. Citing his previous two 0-4 defeats, he points out WCQ's power was greater than FZD's and he didn't have any impression of winning before the match.

Harimoto also talks about the work he has put into his FH since 2022/4 and how he wants to get back the softness of his game from 2016 and 2017 that he has traded off for more power.

Harimoto then goes over his match against FZD, how FZD isn't as terrifying as of late because he doesn't hit as hard now and plays more of a countering style, which made Harimoto think he had a chance to win by attacking in G1. Harimoto feels FZD didn't play like his usual self (by outrallying the opponent) in that match, and to Harimoto's surprise, tried to disrupt him thorough serve and receive variations, which was atypical of CNT players.

Harimoto thinks Togami had a 40-50% chance of winning against WCQ in the 5th match, but he knew Togami was antsy after the service fault AND missing the next receive, which was picked up by WCQ, and their fate was sealed.

On defeating WCQ and FZD, he felt more delighted when beating the former.

He mentions a few times in the interview that adjusting the mindset is the biggest challenge, which he touched on in the aforementioned interview. There are not that many issues in terms of skills, and he will get better as long as he sticks to the way he trains right now.

He thinks Togami played beyond his and everyone's expectations, that they couldn't have won a medal without him.

On losing to Falck at WTT CS Macao, O. Ionescu at WTTC Finals, Jorgic at Tokyo 2020 etc., Harimoto thinks it came down to mindset rather than skills, citing his wins over Franziska, Boll and Ovtcharov, and not that he has difficulties playing European players.

On losing to WCQ at WTT CF Xinxiang, Harimoto says he had 2 opportunities at 7:8 and 8:9 of G2 but failed to equalize. He had another opportunity at 9:7 of G3 and should've taken that game. He might've lost 2-4 this time, but given that he stood no chance in previous encounters, the fact that he was able to compete at that level gave him a sense of frustration as well as fulfillment. They are still not evenly matched, but he feels he could've won 4-1 or 4-2 if he played just a bit better.

Moving forward, he wants to be able to play well against anyone and consistently reach the finishing rounds in any competition, especially after winning one. The next big goal is to get a singles medal at WTTC 2023, which he thinks will be best time to do so.

Edited by zeio - 11/25/2022 at 1:45am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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In the interview with Table Tennis Kingdom after WTTC Finals 2022, Harimoto says he doesn't think a bit China has been surpassed. He doesn't know if he will be able to do it the next time, but it was a big step towards that goal.

https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/43544
Quote 「(中国を)超えられたということは1ミリも思£ていないです。まだ追いついてもいないですね。次にや£て同じことができるかどうかはわかりませんが、超えるための一歩というのはかなり踏み出せたと思います」
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/30/2022 at 2:22am
Re-posting the translation for the last question of the Nikkei's interview with Harimoto in 9/2021. Judging from WTTC Finals, WTT CF Xinxiang and Asian Cup in 2022, Harimoto has overcome the technical struggle with his dad and found the sweetspot between FH and BH under the guidance of Dong Qiwen. Will see how he handles lower-ranked players next year, especially at WTTC 2023, which will be the real test of his mindset.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91514&PID=1125021&title=2022-wtt-doha-events-03-1331#1125021
Quote   記者:為了迎接3年後的巴黎奧運會,你長期面臨的課題是什麼?

  張本智和:我想成為更有決心的選手。這次奧運會握拍沒有調整好,奧運會前就幻想「希望抽籤分組能對我有利」、「希望遇到好打的對手」等。如果下次不能把抽籤結果不好當成理所當然,還會輕易輸球。£因為參加過一次奧運會,當然還想參加,我想下次能夠更明確地想好比賽策略。

  雖然(我的)世界排名很高,但不一定能贏過第30名左右的選手,並且最近完全沒贏過頂尖中國選手。我想今後3年是為了進入真£世界前5的3年。坦率講,巴黎奧運會也不會是我最高光的時刻,但我希望能填£不足。希望進行一些能讓自己內心滿意的訓練。

Reporter: In order to meet the Paris Olympics in three years, what are the long-term issues you face?

Harimoto: I want to become a more determined player. My grip was not adjusted properly for this Olympic Games. Before the Olympic Games, I had fantasies such as "I hope the draw will be beneficial to me", "I hope to meet an easy opponent" and so on. If I can't take the bad draw for granted next time, I will still lose easily. Because I have participated in the Olympics once, of course I want to participate again. I think I can think more clearly about the competition strategy next time.

Although (my) world ranking is very high, I can't necessarily beat players around the 30th, and I haven't beaten top Chinese players at all recently. I think the next 3 years will be the 3 years in order to enter the top 5 in the world for real. Frankly, the Paris Olympics won't be my brightest moment either, but I hope to fill the gap. I hope to do some training that will satisfy my heart.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Re-posting the translation for the last question of the Nikkei's interview with Harimoto in 9/2021. Judging from WTTC Finals, WTT CF Xinxiang and Asian Cup in 2022, Harimoto has overcome the technical struggle with his dad and found the sweetspot between FH and BH under the guidance of Dong Qiwen. Will see how he handles lower-ranked players next year, especially at WTTC 2023, which will be the real test of his mindset.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91514&PID=1125021&title=2022-wtt-doha-events-03-1331#1125021
Quote   記者:為了迎接3年後的巴黎奧運會,你長期面臨的課題是什麼?

  張本智和:我想成為更有決心的選手。這次奧運會握拍沒有調整好,奧運會前就幻想「希望抽籤分組能對我有利」、「希望遇到好打的對手」等。如果下次不能把抽籤結果不好當成理所當然,還會輕易輸球。�£因為參加過一次奧運會,當然還想參加,我想下次能夠更明確地想好比賽策略。

  雖然(我的)世界排名很高,但不一定能贏過第30名左右的選手,並且最近完全沒贏過頂尖中國選手。我想今後3年是為了進入真�£世界前5的3年。坦率講,巴黎奧運會也不會是我最高光的時刻,但我希望能填�£�不足。希望進行一些能讓自己內心滿意的訓練。

Reporter: In order to meet the Paris Olympics in three years, what are the long-term issues you face?

Harimoto: I want to become a more determined player. My grip was not adjusted properly for this Olympic Games. Before the Olympic Games, I had fantasies such as "I hope the draw will be beneficial to me", "I hope to meet an easy opponent" and so on. If I can't take the bad draw for granted next time, I will still lose easily. Because I have participated in the Olympics once, of course I want to participate again. I think I can think more clearly about the competition strategy next time.

Although (my) world ranking is very high, I can't necessarily beat players around the 30th, and I haven't beaten top Chinese players at all recently. I think the next 3 years will be the 3 years in order to enter the top 5 in the world for real. Frankly, the Paris Olympics won't be my brightest moment either, but I hope to fill the gap. I hope to do some training that will satisfy my heart.


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世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得
田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(前編)
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021732.html
世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得
田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(中編)
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021733.html
世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得
田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(後編)
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021740.html

Butterfly's 3-part interview with JNT men's headcoach TASEI Kunihito. Part 1 on his preparations for WTTC Finals 2022 and the group stage, Part 2 on the knockout stage and the SF match against China, and Part 3 on the review of WTTC Finals 2022 and the current status of the men's team.

From Part 2, Tasei on Harimoto's FH-BH balance and calling TO late in G1 of Togami vs WCQ:
Quote --フォアハンドは確かにミスが少なか�£たですし、効果的でした。強くな�£たというより、バランスが良くな�£た印象ですが、そのあたりはいかがですか?

田㔟 お�£しゃる通り、バランスが良くなりました。智和については、フォアハンドの課題はこれまでも言われてきたし、強化もしてきましたが、フォアハンドだけを強化しようとすると、得意のバックハンドまで悪くなりがちでした。
 そこで、バックハンドの強みをそのまま生かすことに重点を置きながらフォアハンドの強化に取り組みました。4番の樊振東戦もそうですが、中国戦ではその成果が存分に出たと思います。本人が課題をし�£かり自覚し、本気で改善しようと真摯に取り組んだ結果ですね。

--具体的には、どのように強化したのですか?

田㔟 これまではフォアハンドの威力を出そうとして大きめに振りかぶると、台から自然と下が�£てしまい、それに伴�£てバックハンドの打球点も遅くな�£ていました。ノーバウンドで打�£ているんじゃないかと思うほど打球点の早いバックハンドは智和の大きな武器だし、その長所は消したくないので、フォアハンドの打球点をできるだけバックハンドに近づけることに取り組みました。
 早い打球点でフォアハンドの威力や安定性を出すためには、体の使い方もそうですが、何より下半身の力が必要なので、智和は下半身のトレーニングにもし�£かり取り組みました。
 こうした取り組みがうまくい�£たのだと思います。

--確かにフォアハンドの打球点は早か�£たですし、動きも素早か�£たです。

田㔟 はい。小さな動きと大きな動きをうまく使い分けていたと思います。今まで智和の�£表的な技で「ハリパンチ」と呼ばれるフォアハンドでのカウンタースマッシュがありましたよね。あれはあれで相手がび�£くりして効くんですが、今回、そのハリパンチはほとんど見られなか�£たと思いますが、理由は下半身の力が強くな�£て、激しいラリーが続いても低い姿勢をキープできるようにな�£たからです。そのことによ�£て、バックハンドは早いところで打てるし、フォアハンドも早いところでカウンターやブロックができていたので、プレーに穴がなか�£た感じでした。
 智和が樊振東と33本もラリーができようにな�£た事だけでも成長の証ですよ。

...

ラストの王楚欽戦での戸上のタイムアウトを取るタイミングは今でも自問する

--ラスト、戸上選手にはどのような�£�をかけて送り出しましたか?

田㔟 これまで通りです。「自分の力をし�£かり出して、おまえの好きなように暴れてこい」というふうに送り出しました。

--戸上選手は王楚欽に対し、1ゲーム目を取りたか�£たですね。

田㔟 1ゲーム目は絶対に先制したいと思�£ていたので、本当にそうですね。戸上が9-4リードでサービスミスをして、それを機に逆転されたんですが、9-5でタイムアウトを取るべきだ�£たかなと悔やんでいます。結局、9-8でタイムアウトを取�£て10-8にな�£たのでタイミングとしては悪くはなか�£たと思います。でも、サービスミス直後の9-5で取�£ていれば、もしかしたら違う結果にな�£ていたかもしれないと思うと......。まあ、結果論ではありますが。
 チームが2対2にもつれた中、1ゲーム目を先制したら、王楚欽は、そして中国はどんな様子になるのか見たか�£た。冷静に見たら戸上と王楚欽とでは、実力差がまだあります。しかし、あの舞台であの状況で1ゲーム目をもし取�£ていたら、実力差なんてほとんどないような試合内容になると思うんですよ。だからこそ、1ゲーム目をなんとか取らせてあげたか�£た。今でも、タイムアウトのタイミングについて、果たして�£しか�£たかどうか自問することがあります。

--戸上選手のプレーぶりはいかがでしたか?

田㔟 これまで通り、思い切�£て良いプレーをしていました。
 ただ、たかがサービスミス1本ですが、それで流れがび�£くりするほどガラッと変わ�£てしまうのが、世界卓球やオリンピックという舞台です。戸上は、その1本の重みを感じ取�£てくれたと思いますし、王楚欽のような相手を倒すには、一つ一つの技術の精度、質をも�£と上げていかなければいけないというのも感じ取�£てくれたと思います。


From Part 3, Tasei on the qualities a world-class male player must possess to win, the growth mindset being a crucial one:
Quote --世界で勝つ選手を見極める基準のようなものはありますか?

田㔟 長年、世界で戦う選手たちをすぐそばで見てきた過程で私なりに身に付けた感覚なので、「これが基準だ」と言葉で説明するのは�£しいですね。センスが良くて結果を出していても、ビックゲームで戦うとなると�£しいなと感じる選手もいるし、その反対の選手もいます。
 試合で勝つには細かなことはたくさんありますが、その中でもまず男子は両ハンドのバランスとパワー、そして絶対的な武器と決定打が必要です。その武器や決定打で流れが変わるし、それが備わ�£ているかどうかで相手にプレッシ�£ーを与える事ができます。特に、フォアハンドにパワーがあるかどうかは大切です。
 それと戦う姿勢です。古い考え方だと思われる方もいると思いますが、具体的には、やはり�£�を出すことです。�£�を出し戦うことで試合の雰囲気�£て間違いなく変わるんですよ。その姿勢は戦う姿勢の表れだし、その姿勢が自分の持てる力を100パーセント、あるいはそれ以上を出すためにとても大切なことだと私は思�£ています。
 今回の中国選手を見ても明らかですが、重要な場面にな�£たら「何年前の卓球?」というくらい打球点を落としてでもフォアハンドでガッツリ動いて攻めてくるし、�£�を出して戦う姿勢もすごか�£た。
 世界のトップでギリギリの戦いを制するためには、�£�を出して、戦う姿勢を示せるかどうかが勝利を呼び込むための必要な要素の一つだと私は思�£ています。
 もちろん、これらはあくまで一例ですが。

--興味深いご意見です。ちなみに、NTやNT候�£�のレベルの選手は、プレースタイルが確立している選手が多いと思います。そうした選手が、田㔟�£�£が考えるところの基準を満たしていない場合、後付けで変われるものですか?

田㔟 十分変われると思います。しかしある程度結果を残していたら、自分のプレースタイルや考え方をなかなか捨てられないのが�£しいところですね。そのプレーでトップレベルまで近づいてきたわけですから、勝てば調子が良か�£た自分の力が出せた、負けたら調子が悪か�£た相手が強か�£た、でまとめてしまいやすい。でも、それで終わ�£てほしくないんです。勝�£たらよか�£た部分をさらに強化し、負けたら自分のプレーをし�£かり見直して、さらに良くしようと常に考え変えていかないといけません。

--ある程度結果を残している選手ほど、変わるのが�£しそうですね。

田㔟 確かに、結果を残してきたプライドが足かせにな�£てプレーを変えようとしても変えられない選手はたくさんいます。でも、私は考え方と取り組み方次第で絶対に変われると思うし、この厳しい世界で勝とうとするなら変わらないといけないんです。
 同じことをしていても世界の強豪はすぐに見破�£てきます。「1年前は良か�£たけど、今年は全然勝てない」という現象がよく起こるのが男子卓球の世界です。だから、常に自分の卓球を見直しながら進化させて戦�£ていかないと、世界では絶対に勝ち残れないと思�£ています。

--確かに、張本選手はフォアハンドが変わりました。

田㔟 智和もそうですし、世界タイトルをいくつも取�£ている馬龍でさえ、以前とはプレーが変わ�£ています。これ以上ないキ�£リアを持つ馬龍でさえ変えているのですから、ほかの選手が変えられないわけがないと私は思います。


Edited by zeio - 11/30/2022 at 2:47pm
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Latest interview with Table Tennis World Vol 12/2022, by Shi Xiaojuan, Wei Qingguang/ISEKI Seiko's wife in Japan. From Zhang Ling's perspective.

https://weibo.com/5028401794/MiF49v13a
page 25 and 26
Quote 巨大的压力让第一次参加奥运会的高中生张本智和几乎不堪承受.

...

  他少年成名,我们没有过他的经历,也就忽略了很多对他的心理建设,他的很多压力我们没有跟上,没能及时给他疏导."

...

  作为美和的专职教练,张凌表示:只要美和全力以卦,我们再累再苦都会陪着.同时,通过哥哥的成长经历,张凌觉得美和没有必要一�£�冲天,还是一步一步稳扎稳打,少走弯路更好,尤其要注意的是"保持清醒,不被捧杀.我们的目标就是目前的一个一个比赛".

Harimoto Tomokazu, a high school student participating in the Olympics for the first time, could hardly bear the enormous pressure.

...

He became famous at a young age, we didn't have his experience, so we ignored a lot of psychological construction for him, we didn't keep up with much of his stress, and we couldn't give him timely counseling."

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As Miwa's full-time coach, Zhang Ling said: As long as Miwa works hard, we will accompany her through thick and thin. At the same time, through the growth experience of his brother, Zhang Ling feels that Miwa's rise doesn't have to be meteoric. One step at a time is better, without taking too many detours, especially to "stay sober, don't be flattered. Our goal is the competition right before us one by one".









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Viscaria FL - 91g
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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since losing to the low ranked Dyjas (now #85) is one of the reasons that Harimoto gets grief, maybe Dyjas beating both Truls (#5) and Harimoto (#2) in the Champions League can give that loss a bit more perspective?  Both Truls and Harimoto defeated the higher ranked Groth in straight sets.
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Both lost in the same manner.

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/12/026862.html
Quote 「世界卓球2021ヒューストンで負けたデ£ヤスがいるチームなので、個人的にもリベンジしたいですし、次で勝てばリーグを1位で抜けられるので全力で勝ちにいきたい」


https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/47204
Quote  これがECL2試合目の出場とな£た張本は2番でグルーツ(デンマーク)に快勝するも、4番でデ£ヤス(ポーランド)にフルゲームで敗れて1勝1敗。デコルグラス・ジ£ドヴォとの試合に向け、先日のスポルテ£ング戦後には「去年の世界選手権で負けたデ£ヤスにリベンジしたい」と語£ていた張本だが、勝利はならなか£た。


https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20166-Who-has-the-best-FH-in-Europe&p=259515&viewfull=1#post259515
Quote In 2018, of the 14 Europeans who managed to beat CNT players, only 4 accumulated more than 1 win. They're Falck, Pitchford, Skachkov and Dyjas(see stats below). At German Open, Dyjas took out FB and took 2 games off of XX, two FH-dominated players. Dyjas actually held his own in FH rallies, to the surprise of the Chinese media and general public.


http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92621&PID=1135615&title=world-youth-championships-2022-tunis-12-411#1135615
Quote Poland, both men's and women's teams, are a force to look out for at Paris 2024, provided they could qualify (WR19 and WR21 as of 2022/12).
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Tomokazu coming with that Chad chiseled jawline in that award ceremony Pic with Miwa
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Tomokazu coming with that Chad chiseled jawline in that award ceremony Pic with Miwa

Lol a lot of my girl friends have commented the same, Harimoto is becoming quite the good looking guy in TT now.... I think if he continues on his trajectory he might even have a ZJK esque girl fanbase lmao
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Catching up.

Magazine Table Tennis World published an article on 1/18 in which various players were asked to look back on 2022.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Lirw3iavMV079zuhaXwzDA
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/281811010/?_i=50686599hNsizJ
Quote 2022年打得最难忘的一场比赛?

樊振东:世乒赛对张本的£场,他在场上表现出很多好的东西,其实是自己£赏也值得学习的。

The most memorable match played in 2022?
FZD: The one against Harimoto at WTTC. He showed a lot of good things on the court, which in fact, is what I admire and worth learning from.
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While many folks in the west still can't get over Harimoto's screams, opinions of Harimoto in Japan and China (see below) have slowly but surely shifted and have become more favorable after WTTC 2022, WTT CF 2022 and Asian Cup 2022.

More and more folks think LYJ has not been keeping up after Tokyo 2020.

张本绝对是未来十年第一对手
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8074499171?pid=145761939713&cid=0#145761939713
Quote 悬与索: 回复 幻兽十一 :奥恰水谷20岁前,就算对上19手术期间的马龙,我估计他们也都打不过,但是张本林昀儒可以。现在的问题就是张本林昀儒比奥恰水谷天赋好,王楚钦比马龙天赋差。且赢过张本林昀儒的向鹏袁励岑根本站不出来。

2022-10-9 14:18

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91735&PID=1129380&title=european-summer-series-2022-7-1122#1129380
https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91046&PID=1133266&title=the-end-of-the-harimoto-dream#1133266

各位认为林昀儒和张本智和未来谁要强一点
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8235662714?pid=146705208326&cid=0#146705208326
Quote 张本从目前来看,他的打法个人感觉对身体的控制度与利用度确实高于小林的。
小林的发球,反手拧确实都是杀招,但是乒乓球打着打着就会往技术(马龙�£表)与战力(樊振东饥渴�£表)综合提升来决定最终高度了。
如果小林能够多练点绝活,灵活地利用�£是最好了。
张本吧,他是个战斗狂,这种性格适合比赛的,换言之是追求胜利的人往往会更能提升的。最近�£手防御肉眼可见的提升,战力慢慢补完,通过他的变线也能看出是有技术意识提升的,综合实力感觉张本还是会未来强一些。

IP属地:河南 21楼 2023-01-28 10:54


This Tieba comment is essentially what I wrote about Harimoto's mindset.
张本�£手强化是不是更多指从力量上面
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8238021133?pid=146722056879&cid=0#146722056879
Quote 张本�£手框架其实没问题,反而会更快,随着他的年龄增长,他�£手会越来越厉害,主要是他的攻防转换和衔接还有关键时刻过于依赖反手和贴防的心理,只要克服了这些以后大有成就,有的动作不好看,但效果好

IP属地:河南 来自Android客户端 5楼 2023-01-30 11:27

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92273&PID=1133736&title=wtt-champions-macao-2022-10-1923#1133736

张本早田和水谷伊藤哪个强。
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8234675015?pid=146695401744&cid=0#146695401744
Quote 张本早田又拿冠军了。他们自组队以来未输过内站。包括水马。早田虽然变化不及伊藤,但胜在够稳能抗,而且也不是所有男选手都能接好早田的回球,剩下的就交给张本就好了。
张本换了教练后�£手激活,大大提高苹果盒的上限,可见教练的重要性。
苹果盒的稳定令人可怕,他们组队以来只输过1个非国乒组合。赢过樊振东丁宁,林高远朱雨玲。国际赛场总胜率高达80%,水马仅77%
最后水马是 ogg,成就上有点难打破。

IP属地:广东 来自iPhone客户端 1楼 2023-01-27 00:55

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1130293&title=wttc-2023-hayata-ito-hirano-kihara-nagasaki#1130293

Edited by zeio - 02/10/2023 at 3:51pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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