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blahness ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/18/2009 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 5378 |
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Harimoto has always been improving - unlike many other players who tend to stay stagnant in their techniques. He has the kind of "optimising" mindset just like Ma Long. Every time I see him play I see some new stuff being added in.
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Basquests ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 08/29/2016 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 520 |
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Can people stop calling him Miwa's brother?
Even if his career ended abruptly tomorrow, he's achieved a lot on the international stage. He's deserving of the respect of having his name used. Every year people doubt him based on an errant result(s) or a dip in form, as if a player whose been only competing from the ages of 11-19, against the worlds best, is meant to have insane consistency over the entire period. It's pretty clear that outside of ML, FZD and probably WCQ, he's in that next category as a player, and probably at the forefront of that category. |
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After his performance at Chengdu, he is officially in that league with the A team. I think all those name calling started from Chinese fans who are anti any opposition. To a certain degree, it does become cyber bullying. But TH has used this wins to do the talking, just a pity there was no one else on his side to step up and get that 3rd point like the swedes had
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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Harimoto on his naturalization after JPN 2-3 CHN and his message on his twitter.
https://the-ans.jp/column/272860/ 帰化から8年、張本智和が持つ日本への愛 衝撃の中国斬り直後、明かした境遇への本音 https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1579682312765472769
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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aerial ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/11/2015 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 435 |
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after his performance in the recent wtttc, seems like the dream is only beginning
looking forward to wtt Macau
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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Singapore Smash - Miwa's brother in MS and XD WTT CT Zagreb - 20% Harimoto in MS, but Harimoto in XD WTT SCT ESS - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in XD WTT CS ESS - Harimoto WTT CT Tunis - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in MD and XD WTTC Finals - 100% of 100% Harimoto WTT CS Macao - Miwa's brother WTT CF Xinxiang - Harimoto? 2021 WTT CT Doha - 60% Harimoto WTT SCT Doha - Harimoto Tokyo 2020 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MT WTTC Finals 2021 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MD and XD WTT CF Singapore - Harimoto Edited by zeio - 10/20/2022 at 11:28am |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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More Tasei's thoughts on Harimoto. He was a little mad at Harimoto for faltering against Romania in the group. It seems to be an open secret that Jorgic is poor against lefties as Tasei was restless after losing Niwa.
田㔟££、成都を振り返る「ルーマニア戦の4番で集中力に問題があ£たように見えたので、張本に少しばかり怒りました」 https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/33801 「中国に勝てるのは日本だけだ、ということを世界中に示した」田㔟££、10月8日の成都を振り返る https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/33890
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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Like LYJ with the guidance of Wei Qingguang, Harimoto is back on track with the guidance of Dong Qiwen.
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92274&PID=1134482&title=wtt-cup-finals-xinxiang-2022-10-2730#1134482
2021/11/27 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91046&PID=1120542&title=the-end-of-the-harimoto-dream#1120542
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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tom ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 11/18/2013 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 2895 |
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"I'm evolving. I can proudly say that my backhand is second to none, and I can say that my forehand is in the top 4 (in the world). After entering university, the environment has changed, and I was able to practice as I wanted. Combined with the strengthening of physical training, he said, "if I practice, I'll get results. I can't be happier. I've come to like table tennis more than before."
I guess something else is missing from his game - #1 in BH, and #4 in FH - he should be higher than #4
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Usually, we call that missing thing "time". That said, he could just have a self-motivating inflated assessment of his game.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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![]() 2022 Singapore Smash - Miwa's brother in MS and XD WTT CT Zagreb - 20% Harimoto in MS, but Harimoto in XD WTT SCT ESS - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in XD WTT CS ESS - Harimoto WTT CT Tunis - Miwa's brother in MS, but Harimoto in MD and XD WTTC Finals - 100% of 100% Harimoto WTT CS Macao - Miwa's brother WTT CF Xinxiang - Harimoto Asian Cup Bangkok - Harimoto 2021 WTT CT Doha - 60% Harimoto WTT SCT Doha - Harimoto Tokyo 2020 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MT WTTC Finals 2021 - Miwa's brother in MS but Harimoto in MD and XD WTT CF Singapore - Harimoto |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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His tweets on winning Asian Cup and reaching WR2.
https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1593980776479363072
https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1594874439120089090
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Up to #2. He passes my eye test. His recent wins over top CNT guys didn't seem like flukes. If he gets any better -- and being younger than any of them, he probably will -- the end of the Harimoto dream could be the beginning of the Harimoto nightmare for the CNT.
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aerial ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/11/2015 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 435 |
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looks like pretty soon the dream will end, and it will become a reality
those forehand drills look to be paying off, sheesh
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世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダリスト
張本智和インタビュー(前編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021681.html 世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダリスト 張本智和インタビュー(後編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021682.html Butterfly's in-depth 2-part interview with Harimoto on WTTC Finals 2022 and beyond. Before the SF against China, Harimoto feared not Brazil, not Slovenia, but Portugal the most, because they had 3 players. As he stated in the previous 2-part interview, Harimoto thought WCQ was the hardest to deal with, and so he wanted to play ML. Citing his previous two 0-4 defeats, he points out WCQ's power was greater than FZD's and he didn't have any impression of winning before the match. Harimoto also talks about the work he has put into his FH since 2022/4 and how he wants to get back the softness of his game from 2016 and 2017 that he has traded off for more power. Harimoto then goes over his match against FZD, how FZD isn't as terrifying as of late because he doesn't hit as hard now and plays more of a countering style, which made Harimoto think he had a chance to win by attacking in G1. Harimoto feels FZD didn't play like his usual self (by outrallying the opponent) in that match, and to Harimoto's surprise, tried to disrupt him thorough serve and receive variations, which was atypical of CNT players. Harimoto thinks Togami had a 40-50% chance of winning against WCQ in the 5th match, but he knew Togami was antsy after the service fault AND missing the next receive, which was picked up by WCQ, and their fate was sealed. On defeating WCQ and FZD, he felt more delighted when beating the former. He mentions a few times in the interview that adjusting the mindset is the biggest challenge, which he touched on in the aforementioned interview. There are not that many issues in terms of skills, and he will get better as long as he sticks to the way he trains right now. He thinks Togami played beyond his and everyone's expectations, that they couldn't have won a medal without him. On losing to Falck at WTT CS Macao, O. Ionescu at WTTC Finals, Jorgic at Tokyo 2020 etc., Harimoto thinks it came down to mindset rather than skills, citing his wins over Franziska, Boll and Ovtcharov, and not that he has difficulties playing European players. On losing to WCQ at WTT CF Xinxiang, Harimoto says he had 2 opportunities at 7:8 and 8:9 of G2 but failed to equalize. He had another opportunity at 9:7 of G3 and should've taken that game. He might've lost 2-4 this time, but given that he stood no chance in previous encounters, the fact that he was able to compete at that level gave him a sense of frustration as well as fulfillment. They are still not evenly matched, but he feels he could've won 4-1 or 4-2 if he played just a bit better. Moving forward, he wants to be able to play well against anyone and consistently reach the finishing rounds in any competition, especially after winning one. The next big goal is to get a singles medal at WTTC 2023, which he thinks will be best time to do so. Edited by zeio - 11/25/2022 at 1:45am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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In the interview with Table Tennis Kingdom after WTTC Finals 2022, Harimoto says he doesn't think a bit China has been surpassed. He doesn't know if he will be able to do it the next time, but it was a big step towards that goal.
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/43544
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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Re-posting the translation for the last question of the Nikkei's interview with Harimoto in 9/2021. Judging from WTTC Finals, WTT CF Xinxiang and Asian Cup in 2022, Harimoto has overcome the technical struggle with his dad and found the sweetspot between FH and BH under the guidance of Dong Qiwen. Will see how he handles lower-ranked players next year, especially at WTTC 2023, which will be the real test of his mindset.
https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91514&PID=1125021&title=2022-wtt-doha-events-03-1331#1125021
Reporter: In order to meet the Paris Olympics in three years, what are the long-term issues you face? Harimoto: I want to become a more determined player. My grip was not adjusted properly for this Olympic Games. Before the Olympic Games, I had fantasies such as "I hope the draw will be beneficial to me", "I hope to meet an easy opponent" and so on. If I can't take the bad draw for granted next time, I will still lose easily. Because I have participated in the Olympics once, of course I want to participate again. I think I can think more clearly about the competition strategy next time. Although (my) world ranking is very high, I can't necessarily beat players around the 30th, and I haven't beaten top Chinese players at all recently. I think the next 3 years will be the 3 years in order to enter the top 5 in the world for real. Frankly, the Paris Olympics won't be my brightest moment either, but I hope to fill the gap. I hope to do some training that will satisfy my heart. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Just what I meant, HT is the most defeatable Top 10 player. |
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世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得
田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(前編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021732.html 世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得 田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(中編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021733.html 世界卓球2022成都 男子�£体銅メダル獲得 田㔟邦史男子NT�£�£インタビュー(後編) https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/021740.html Butterfly's 3-part interview with JNT men's headcoach TASEI Kunihito. Part 1 on his preparations for WTTC Finals 2022 and the group stage, Part 2 on the knockout stage and the SF match against China, and Part 3 on the review of WTTC Finals 2022 and the current status of the men's team. From Part 2, Tasei on Harimoto's FH-BH balance and calling TO late in G1 of Togami vs WCQ:
From Part 3, Tasei on the qualities a world-class male player must possess to win, the growth mindset being a crucial one:
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Latest interview with Table Tennis World Vol 12/2022, by Shi Xiaojuan, Wei Qingguang/ISEKI Seiko's wife in Japan. From Zhang Ling's perspective.
https://weibo.com/5028401794/MiF49v13a page 25 and 26
Harimoto Tomokazu, a high school student participating in the Olympics for the first time, could hardly bear the enormous pressure. ... He became famous at a young age, we didn't have his experience, so we ignored a lot of psychological construction for him, we didn't keep up with much of his stress, and we couldn't give him timely counseling." ... As Miwa's full-time coach, Zhang Ling said: As long as Miwa works hard, we will accompany her through thick and thin. At the same time, through the growth experience of his brother, Zhang Ling feels that Miwa's rise doesn't have to be meteoric. One step at a time is better, without taking too many detours, especially to "stay sober, don't be flattered. Our goal is the competition right before us one by one". ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by zeio - 12/09/2022 at 3:17pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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since losing to the low ranked Dyjas (now #85) is one of the reasons that Harimoto gets grief, maybe Dyjas beating both Truls (#5) and Harimoto (#2) in the Champions League can give that loss a bit more perspective? Both Truls and Harimoto defeated the higher ranked Groth in straight sets.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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Both lost in the same manner.
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/12/026862.html
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/47204
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20166-Who-has-the-best-FH-in-Europe&p=259515&viewfull=1#post259515
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92621&PID=1135615&title=world-youth-championships-2022-tunis-12-411#1135615
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Tomokazu coming with that Chad chiseled jawline in that award ceremony Pic with Miwa
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How many eyes have seen their dreams
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Lol a lot of my girl friends have commented the same, Harimoto is becoming quite the good looking guy in TT now.... I think if he continues on his trajectory he might even have a ZJK esque girl fanbase lmao
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Catching up.
Magazine Table Tennis World published an article on 1/18 in which various players were asked to look back on 2022. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Lirw3iavMV079zuhaXwzDA https://www.douban.com/group/topic/281811010/?_i=50686599hNsizJ
The most memorable match played in 2022? FZD: The one against Harimoto at WTTC. He showed a lot of good things on the court, which in fact, is what I admire and worth learning from. |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9600 |
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While many folks in the west still can't get over Harimoto's screams, opinions of Harimoto in Japan and China (see below) have slowly but surely shifted and have become more favorable after WTTC 2022, WTT CF 2022 and Asian Cup 2022.
More and more folks think LYJ has not been keeping up after Tokyo 2020. 张本绝对是未来十年第一对手 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8074499171?pid=145761939713&cid=0#145761939713
https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91735&PID=1129380&title=european-summer-series-2022-7-1122#1129380 https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91046&PID=1133266&title=the-end-of-the-harimoto-dream#1133266 各位认为林昀儒和张本智和未来谁要强一点 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8235662714?pid=146705208326&cid=0#146705208326
This Tieba comment is essentially what I wrote about Harimoto's mindset. 张本�£手强化是不是更多指从力量上面 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8238021133?pid=146722056879&cid=0#146722056879
https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92273&PID=1133736&title=wtt-champions-macao-2022-10-1923#1133736 张本早田和水谷伊藤哪个强。 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8234675015?pid=146695401744&cid=0#146695401744
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1130293&title=wttc-2023-hayata-ito-hirano-kihara-nagasaki#1130293 Edited by zeio - 02/10/2023 at 3:51pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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