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卓球・張本智和 パリ五輪へ“トップ独走” 快進撃の理由は…「地に足をつけた強さ」
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Catching up on Harimoto.
Harimoto looks back on WTTC 2023 Durban in a 5-part interview with Butterfly. In part 1, he talks about the XD In part 2, he talks about the reason LJK could get a medal and he could not. In part 3, he talks about LJK being able to serve a float in that situation. In part 4, he talks about how he prepared for WTTC 2023, how he fought, how to deal with the results, what he thinks about the next 10 years. Here is the interesting part. He thinks FZD failed to overcome ML, and ML failed to overcome WH. Unlike them, he feels that ZJK, in between MLin and WH, changed the status quo with his own power. In terms of table tennis, he prefers ZJK to ML. ML is amazing but it is simply the result of working and playing diligently. Therefore, if possible, he prefers not having to wait for them (FZD and WCQ) to retire and intends to prevent WCQ and LSD from taking the baton from FZD. In part 5, he talks about his 2nd round of table tennis life, how he doesn't lose confidence anymore no matter how many times he loses domestically, how increasing the level of consistency, steadiness, and solidity is more important, how only the gold medal will make him happy etc... 張本智和インタビュー 世界卓球2023ダーバンを振り返る① https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/022663.html 張本智和インタビュー 世界卓球2023ダーバンを振り返る② https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/022665.html 張本智和インタビュー 世界卓球2023ダーバンを振り返る③ https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/022666.html 張本智和インタビュー 世界卓球2023ダーバンを振り返る�£ https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/022667.html 張本智和インタビュー 世界卓球2023ダーバンを振り返る⑤ https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/022669.html Harimoto Chinese Station at Weibo has posted a Chinese machine translation. 1 https://weibo.com/7356558275/N7gYfDPas 2 https://weibo.com/7356558275/N7jbMaXmK 3 https://weibo.com/7356558275/N7jgKmLh2 4 https://weibo.com/7356558275/N7jmoqG30 5 https://weibo.com/7356558275/N7jtQBMw7 Edited by zeio - 07/09/2023 at 2:05am |
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Its pretty obvious that TH gets lower performance at bigger tournaments.
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After what happened at ATTC 2023, I felt it's a good time to translate the relevant parts from part 4 of the interview.
The 20s are all about reviewing. Just answer the questions you have solved so far without difficulty --I think there were a lot of difficult times in your teens, but it looks like your 20s are going to be fun. Harimoto: I feel like the benefits of being active when I was 13 or 14 are finally starting to show up now. On the other hand, up until last year was the hardest. At first, everything was fun, and then there was a period of stagnation, and I thought whether I would stop there or another period of fun would come, but now I feel like the period of fun has already begun. I've experienced all kinds of failures and losses, I've come back from 0-3, and the tables have been turned on me from 3-0, and I've probably experienced all kinds of situations in my teens. Including the Olympics, there aren't any competitions I haven't participated in, so in terms of studying, my 20s are a refresher. Just answer the questions you have solved so far without difficulty. The players I couldn't defeat will gradually retire, and if that happens, I will be at the top. If you look at China, there were Zhang Jike, Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, and Wang Chuqin, and now we have moved from the era of Ma Long and Fan Zhendong to the era of Fan Zhendong and Wang Chuqin, and from China's perspective, they would like to connect it to the era of Wang Chuqin and Lin Shidong. Yet, I think the impression is for me to get in the way and rise up. I've been active many years earlier than Lin Shidong, and Wang Chuqin came out before me, but I definitely think I'll be next. That's the goal. --It seems like Harimoto has a clear vision of the future. Harimoto: In just the past few years, we've seen Samsonov (Belarus), Mizutani-san (Jun Mizutani/Kinoshita Group), and Niwa-san (Koki Niwa/Svensson Holdings) retire (from international competitions), and I've seen who is going to retire and when, to what extent can someone go and when I'll be at the top. For example, if Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, Liang Jingkun, and Wang Chuqin all retire, I think I will inevitably become number one, but I definitely can't wait for that to happen, and have to work with the intention of surpassing that. At that point, strong young players may emerge, but if you just do some simple calculations, that's what will happen, so I have to be patient. On the other hand, I also want to beat the top 4 players, but Ma Long, who has gotten everything now, lost to Wang Hao 3 times (in WTTC) before that. Fan Zhendong had also lost to Ma Long up until that point, and won the championship (WTTC 2021 Houston) that one time when Ma Long did not participate, so he did not defeat Ma Long to win the championship. In this sense, Zhang Jike, in the presence of Ma Lin and Wang Hao, changed the status quo with his own power. In terms of table tennis, I prefer Zhang Jike to Ma Long. Ma Long is also amazing, but it is simply the result of working and playing diligently. Of course, he put in a lot of effort, and there were times when he was going to give up, but he couldn't break through Wang Hao until the very end. So, if you can keep trying and not think, "If I wait, it will come", I think it will come. If I keep working hard because I want to beat Fan Zhendong and Wang Chuqin, I wonder if that time will arrive. The reason why you can't win even if you're strong, as explained by a mutant (spontaneous mutations) --Under that scenario, is there any fear that a strong mutant player like Harimoto will emerge? Harimoto: Yes, there is. I feel that kind of fear in Lin Shidong, and I think Fan Zhendong was like that when he came out, but in the end, he couldn't beat Ma Long, and I think that was also due to the difference in experience. Fan Zhendong was probably stronger in Dusseldorf (WTTC 2017 Dusseldorf), but he couldn't beat Ma Long in the final, and in Hungary (WTTC 2019 Budapest) he lost to Liang Jingkun in the fourth round, and I think there must be a reason. I understand this because I am a mutant. The reason is that "even if you're strong, you can't win." I made my debut when I was 13 years old, and everyone was expecting me to become a World Champion by now, and I might have expected that too. Last year and the year before that, I thought I had the chance but couldn't do it, but these days I realize that just because I was able to beat Ma Long at the age of 14 doesn't mean I'm an Olympic Champion. Put another way, there was an old man who beat me in a town tournament when I was in elementary school (lol), so I don't care about who won or lost, I just think that winning and losing is a point for growth. There's no point in losing if you forget. I still remember losing to 宮本春樹/MIYAMOTO Haruki-san (Clover Dental Cuspids) in the Junior Boys event of the All-Japan Championship (2017 All-Japan TTC Junior Boys Quarterfinal). After that, I feel bad losing to Oshima-san (Yuya Oshima/Kinoshita Group) at All-Japan (2018 All-Japan TTC Men's Singles Semifinal), and I feel bad losing to Uda-san (Yukiya Uda/Meiji University) (2020 All-Japan TTC Men's Singles Final), and now I feel bad losing to Liang Jingkun and it's good that the level of my frustration is gradually increasing. Next time, if I'll feel bad losing to Fan Zhendong, I think I can beat Fan Zhendong the next time. Up until now, I have been skipping the ranks, so in the end, I think I just need to take it one step at a time and push myself to the top. --In the end, not skipping ranks and passing through the "I feel bad losing (to Fan Zhendong)" part, right? Harimoto: Of course, I would like to jump over it if I could, but how difficult it would be. The opponent is also working hard, so I'm not the only one who feels frustrated because I'm working hard. Of course, if I could become an Olympic Champion in an instant, I would be happy to, but I know it won't be easy. Even Fan Zhendong has not been able to make that leap, and he is just taking advantage of the opportunity when his turn comes around. If Wang Chuqin also goes about his career normally, when Fan Zhendong gets a little older, he will be able to become the champion once. The goal is to prevent that. The next one won't be Wang Chuqin, nor will it be Lin Shidong. Neither Boll nor Ovtcharov (both from Germany) were able to "get in the way" in the end. I may beat 1 Chinese player and finish top 4, but I haven't made it all the way to the end. Even among the women, it's amazing that Hayata-san (Hina Hayata/Nippon Life Insurance Company) defeated Wang Yidi (China), but there is Sun Yingsha (China), and after that, Chen Meng (China) is waiting, so there are 3 walls. So, I want to move forward one step at a time. Edited by zeio - 09/10/2023 at 1:59pm |
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He's a deep thinker. Impressive for his age.
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He had better be, to me, the fact that he was coddled a bit by shielding him from defending his WJTTC title after he won it was destructive to his development. He should have been forced to play those events to get over the fear of losing and to fully understand that winning the title doesn't mean the battle for self improvement is over.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Nah I believe that was the right decision to take, introducing him to the big stage that early and beating the top players as early as 14 is SELF IMPROVEMENT, most of his struggles now are due to the limitations of his game; which cannot be remedied by playing one more WJTTC but by deliberate instructions, stylistic changes and tactics. China fielded Yu Heyi, Xu Yingbin and Xu Haidong for at least 2 WJTTCs and WYCs. Their mark on the senior circuit is nowhere to be found. Xu Yingbin is still sputtering and halting, others are not even in the roadside.
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There is no reason why one can't play the WJTTC and play in senior tournaments as well, both Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu did, and Xiang Peng and Lin Shidong as well. The Chinese system with competition is also a bit different, let's not confuse whether a player is able to make team A over players like Lin Gaoyuan and Liang Jingkun with whether the player should be playing the WJTTC. I think he would have addressed the limitations of his game had he also defended the WJTTC, as some of it is mental and related to choking against lower ranked opponents/underdogs because of a status of entitlement and refusing to take risks when the chips are down. When he talks about skipping steps, he is admitting that this was a mistake. You can see it differently.
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I think it is fair to say that both systems - CNT and JNT, do not really put the WJTTC in high regards. They are looking at the bigger picture when planning. For JNT, Tokyo 2020 was getting closer and closer, and they really had to speed up the process of these kids.
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Actually, the CNT put the WJTTC in high enough regard to make all their top prospects play it, sometimes for developmental reasons if they are on Team B trying to make Team A. From memory, Sun Yingsha was already on Team A when she was made to play it (this was partly because Japan had brought in the big guns the prior year and they wanted to stop the political fallout of losing the title during that rough period). My main point is not whether Harimoto should have played the senior events (he clearly should have), but whether he should have stopped playing the WJTTC and not even tried to defend his title after winning it, which created a situation where he felt repeatedly he had something to prove when playing underdogs like An Jaehyun when he should have had the mental fortitude to just play them straight up without entitlement. Defending a title while still eligible is an important experience, it forces a mental fortitude that should not be avoided just by not doing it. Skipping that step made him more fragile when playing players he needed to take risks against to avoid being upset.
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If you followed the WJTTC in the last 10 years, you can see how many times CNT did not send their top juniors. and how many times they didn't pick up all the golds due to that. You can even argue that when Harimoto won it, China sent its 2nd string top 4 as the junior team. I was there in 2016, so I saw everything, including behind the scene. The head of CNT delegation was very pissed and I had to cancel CNT's "site seeing" as it was deemed inappropriate for the team VIP to be having fun on that trip. Liu Guozheng (junior team head coach) was also "reshuffled" due to boys team performance, as they felt the (weaker) team present should of at least showed some fight, but didn't. They were lucky to pick up girls singles gold - the only gold they bought home in 2016. Yes, they lost both teams, and all the doubles. The weakest team they could send and 2016 was the worse results ever for CNT. The 2016 boys actually was terrible during that tournament and it the first time I saw how brittle the future of CNT would become. The 4 that went in 2016 all had good domestic results, they just rested the 2015 team to give 2016 a chance to take part. So in 2017, they send the 2015 boys again. And having said that, many from CNT has won it and didn't continue to play WJTTC to defend his/her title after winning it. IE, FZD won it in 2012, and didn't play in 2013, where he was eligible and China lost boys single gold in 2013....FZD still had few years, I think 3 years of eligibility, but didn't play since then - including the 2016 dismal display. Or the winner of 2015, Liu Dingshuo, and the strong Xue Fei and Wang Chuqin didn't play in 2016, but the later 2 came back in 2017. Xu Haidong and Xu Yingbin I think played the most WJTTC among CNT, with 3 of them with XYB without having a podium singles in any of them and XHD at least winning a singles gold in one of them. A lot stronger players could of fielded the WJTTC CNT team if CNT had the task of sending they best to ensure all medals are bought back. But over the years, they have numerous times sent weaker teams to take part and was really tested and even failed. As I said, both CNT and JNT didn't really take the junior circuit too serious. The moment these kids went to senior circuit full time, they stop taking part in all junior events all together. This included Lin Yunju and many CNT players. Sun only played in 2017, but CNT didn't loose women singles in 2016.
And also in 2017, none of the Japanese girls big guns played. 2016 was the last year where the Japanese big guns played (together with Harimoto) and from there, they had they final 4 year count down for Tokyo and turn senior pro. Edited by ZApenholder - 09/14/2023 at 10:26pm |
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Usually, the CNT has a policy of not sending the player if the player makes Team A - most of the players who play WJTTC are still on the junior team/team B. So Lin Shidong might not play it this year and that is understandable. It is not so much about sending their best juniors to play, but about whether you think there is something that the junior needs to learn from playing. I can say for example that it is very hard to explain why they felt Xiang Peng needed to play twice, especially after he won the year prior, but it had to be about his development in some fashion.
So if you think that Harimoto had gotten everything he needed out of WJTTC and should not be playing anymore, I can understand that. But it was clear to me that he was scoring very narrow and lucky wins over his opponents. Of course the age gap was relevant, but it would definitely have helped him to actually dominate the event, not just barely win it. He never really mastered the experience of performing as the clear favorite.
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CNT views the junior circuit the same as JNT the real test is senior team. Hence they won't sent the best that are eligible. I am happy you agree. Here you talk about the Japanese junior world champion in Harimoto. Don't forget, the Japanese girl trio didn't win anything and they stopped junior circuit. If Mima, Miu or Hina continued, they could win a junior medal. But so what? they don't care about it, they only cared about Tokyo 2020. The value in juniors is so much lesser in Asia than maybe the other parts of the world. This is maybe also why, China will never take part in U13 or U11 Taking part in U15 is already very rare. If CNT doesn't have so many good (older) players, then you would likely see the young teenagers maturing a lot earlier, just like the Japanese. Ma Long and Fan Zhendong all made it into CNT A team (senior) at 14/15 years old. Fan Zhendong already had good results at a young age, but just had so many older players ahead of him that made the results for him not possible. Japan didn't have that luxury, so these young kids all become leaders at a young age Edited by ZApenholder - 09/15/2023 at 12:36am |
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Took me a good deal of effort to dig this up. Miyazaki was aware of the issues of leapfrogging back at WTTC 2019.
Reproducing the post here for future reference. https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201904270001068.html http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-04-28/doc-ihvhiewr8639142.shtml
Although he is expected to win a medal in 40 years for the men's singles in a block that wouldn't meet China until the semi-final, it ended in defeat to a lower-ranked player. Miyazaki said, "Although Harimoto has leapfrogged at a major tournament, I found that his mentality is weak against lower-ranked players and those from the same era." In the future, if another leapfrogging player like Harimoto ever rises, the association will consider sending him to tournaments of the same age group in order to develop a strong mind. The men's headcoach Kurashima pointed out that he would like to strengthen the future by saying that "in addition to chiquita, it's necessary to acquire many attack patterns as Ma Long of China." Harimoto will take a rest to focus on healing his right ring finger from May 1st to 7th, the day after his return. Miyazaki highly regarded Niwa for making QF as "Japan players who with small stature or power need creative play. Niwa is a role model." "It's better to improve this aspect from daily practice," he added. The doubles pairing for Tokyo Olympics will also be in full swing. At the Chinese Open at the end of May, Niwa and Mizutani will enter the men's doubles. It's said that left-handed ones are difficult, but "it is necessary to try because their world ranking are 2nd in Japan and 3rd in the world towards the Olympics". In the mixed doubles, Yoshimura/Ishikawa pair won the silver medal, but Yoshimura who's ranked 33rd is 6th in Japan. The top 2 in January next year will be selected for the Olympic singles, and the 3rd team member will be recommended by development headquarters. It's not possible to enter the Olympics new mixed doubles without having 3 people. As for Yoshimura, he said, "Of course, the 3rd spot is prioritized. The 3rd player is the 4th if he's not good at doubles. It is difficult at 6th." |
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What do y'all posit Lin Gaoyuan's three silvers at consecutive WJTTC did to his psyche??
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Lin developed a reputation over time as one of the hardest workers on the team, and it was what kept him on the team for a while even when his results were not so great in trials.
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https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/11/031831.html
■ Tomokazu Harimoto's comment after returning home --Looking back on this tournament It was good that I was able to get my revenge against JWJ, to whom I lost last time at the Asian Games 2022, and it was good that I won this time and made it to the QF, but the same-gene rival LYJ won the tournament. I was leading halfway through G1, and the point difference was close until halfway through G3 and I had plenty of chances to win, but when playing against strong players, I just can't close out the last 1 or 2 points. I want to work on getting these crucial points. --What did you learn and what challenges did you have during your 2-month long expedition? First of all, physical issues cropped up, so if that happens, I won't be able to rely on technique or tactics. The first issue is the condition, and then the issue of closing out the last 1 or 2 points. I think those are the 2 issues, physical and technical. The most important thing is physical strength. I'd like to tighten my body a little more, or do more rigorous training to make my legs faster. When I watched LYJs movements, I noticed that his agility was different. I don't think there are many areas where technique is lacking that much. Table tennis players generate the most power with their forehand, so I feel that I have reaffirmed that I need to increase the proportion of my forehand use. --You turned 20 this year, and that was your first season in your 20s. What do you have left unfinished? In international tournaments, this was the first time in 6 years that I failed to win a title, so I feel a little disappointed. There are years when I catch it 2 or 3 times, and I think it's inevitable that there are years like this where I don't catch it at all, so I want to make up for this year's disappointment next year. There are still a few matches left in Japan, so I will do my best to win as many matches as possible and overcome the issues found this year as much as possible by the end of the year. --About the performance of your younger sister Miwa (lost in the second round), who defeated Miu Hirano in the first round. She is competing just like us on the senior stage, and I will continue to support her, but even more so, I am inspired to do my best, so I would like to continue working hard together. I think this is my sister's first step on the senior stage, and I think she'll probably become a regular, so I hope we can win together someday. I think that is the goal of the siblings. I practiced with her a little bit this time, and when I watched her play, she was strong and one of the top female players. I think she will be ranked in the top 10 in the world soon, so I hope she can play table tennis the way she likes. If she can do that, I'm sure she'll become even stronger. I would like to continue watching her over as a spectator. ーーFinally, what is your expectation for the 6th Paris Olympic representative selection trial (November 25th to 26th)? I think if I make it to the top 4 or better this time, I will be guaranteed 1st place, so I would like to participate well and secure 1st place. |
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If it took 2 years for Harimoto to realize that it comes down to the FH, imagine how many years it will take Hayata...
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90856&PID=1120885&title=2021-wttc-houston-usa-nov-2329#1120885 |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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