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    Posted: 05/19/2019 at 1:53am
The pilot project, which started at the ITTF Challenge Croatia Open this week, aims to ensure that the rubbers from professional table tennis players, used by ITTF tournaments, are following the rules: < 4.00 mm.

The pilot project is also aiming to find out the best procedure to achieve the goal of ensuring players rackets are according to the ITTF rules:

    to measure the thickness accurately
    not to hold up player’s schedule unduly
    to be transparent and credible towards all players

This pilot project will run for 6 months at various ITTF events and initially has no consequences for players who fail testing and the results will stay confidential within the ITTF.

How does it work?

This procedure will apply to the players losing their match from the quarter-finals onwards and then both finalists, with players being able to also request random testing.

    Before the match, both players will be informed by the umpire in the Call Area that the racket of the loser and both players in the final will be tested again after the match;
    The respective racket will be collected by the umpire immediately after the end of the match. The racket will be secured in the racket testing room and the player shall appear within 20 minutes and dismantle the rubber. Otherwise, the racket control expert will dismantle the rubber;
    Once all measurements are completed, the rubber will be returned to the player.

The rubber will be measured with a device called the KÄFER JD 200 which checks the thickness of the rubber on 3 spots in the central hitting area together with a RAE test with 60 sec. measurement on the sponge side.

Once the 6-months pilot project is completed, the ITTF Equipment Department will present the results to the ITTF Executive Committee who will then decide the future of this testing.

https://www.ittf.com/2019/05/19/ittf-pilot-testing-thickness-measurement-dismantled-rubbers-project/

Edited by zeio - 05/19/2019 at 1:53am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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This is to catch the people who carve their rackets to get more sponge? Or did I miss something?
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A follow-up on Boll's complaint?

https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20181213_EC_Incheon_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The Equipment Manager, Mrs Claudia Herweg, updated the EC on the work done in the past weeks and presented the report conducted by the members of the boosting working group. Mrs Herweg informed about the considerations and the final conclusion of the report, of not allowing any after treatment(boosting) of the rubbers. The Equipment Manager reported that further tests will be conducted in the intention of defining a pilot phase that includes the dismantling the rubbers from the players’ Rackets, immediately after the end of a competition. The Athletes Commission Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, expressed some of the concerns and possible issues that might arise from the players and events perspective. The President, Mr Thomas Weikert, asked the AC Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, to discuss with the Athletes Commission members and with the players and present a report in regard to this topic at the next EC meeting in February. The EC acknowledged the importance of this matter and recommended the establishment of special rules that allow the dismantling of the rubbers at major events, after the competition ends. Further discussions should be continued under the leadership of the Equipment Department with regularly reports to the EC.


https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20180818_EC_Prague_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The ITTF Secretary General reported that the boosting working group is finally confirmed and can start their deliberations. A proposition should be presented at the next EC meeting in December in order to be eventually presented to the 2019 AGM in Budapest.


Edited by zeio - 05/19/2019 at 12:20pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

A follow-up on Boll's complaint?

https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20181213_EC_Incheon_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The Equipment Manager, Mrs Claudia Herweg, updated the EC on the work done in the past weeks and presented the report conducted by the members of the boosting working group. Mrs Herweg informed about the considerations and the final conclusion of the report, of not allowing any after treatment(boosting) of the rubbers. The Equipment Manager reported that further tests will be conducted in the intention of defining a pilot phase that includes the dismantling the rubbers from the players’ Rackets, immediately after the end of a competition. The Athletes Commission Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, expressed some of the concerns and possible issues that might arise from the players and events perspective. The President, Mr Thomas Weikert, asked the AC Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, to discuss with the Athletes Commission members and with the players and present a report in regard to this topic at the next EC meeting in February. The EC acknowledged the importance of this matter and recommended the establishment of special rules that allow the dismantling of the rubbers at major events, after the competition ends. Further discussions should be continued under the leadership of the Equipment Department with regularly reports to the EC.


https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20180818_EC_Prague_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The ITTF Secretary General reported that the boosting working group is finally confirmed and can start their deliberations. A proposition should be presented at the next EC meeting in December in order to be eventually presented to the 2019 AGM in Budapest.

What does boll said?
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

A follow-up on Boll's complaint?

https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20181213_EC_Incheon_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The Equipment Manager, Mrs Claudia Herweg, updated the EC on the work done in the past weeks and presented the report conducted by the members of the boosting working group. Mrs Herweg informed about the considerations and the final conclusion of the report, of not allowing any after treatment(boosting) of the rubbers. The Equipment Manager reported that further tests will be conducted in the intention of defining a pilot phase that includes the dismantling the rubbers from the players’ Rackets, immediately after the end of a competition. The Athletes Commission Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, expressed some of the concerns and possible issues that might arise from the players and events perspective. The President, Mr Thomas Weikert, asked the AC Chair, Mr Zoran Primorac, to discuss with the Athletes Commission members and with the players and present a report in regard to this topic at the next EC meeting in February. The EC acknowledged the importance of this matter and recommended the establishment of special rules that allow the dismantling of the rubbers at major events, after the competition ends. Further discussions should be continued under the leadership of the Equipment Department with regularly reports to the EC.


https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2019-05/20180818_EC_Prague_minutes_0.pdf
Quote 3.4 Boosting Working Group
The ITTF Secretary General reported that the boosting working group is finally confirmed and can start their deliberations. A proposition should be presented at the next EC meeting in December in order to be eventually presented to the 2019 AGM in Budapest.

What does boll said?


Zeio was probably referring to a complaint that Timo made already a few years ago during an interview. He essentially claimed (or accused) the chinese players of using special rubbers not available to the public and then boosting these rubbers into oblivion and thus having a (decisive) competetive advantange over non-chinese players, including him.
Timo also famously (or infamously; depending on what's your take on him) said that he uses the same Tenergys that everyone could buy at a Butterfly shop; he would only select by weight...
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FALSE ALARM...

This second inspection of the players rubbers. It appears clearly from Mr. Kimura privat correspondence that the original purpose of the ITTF Rubber Inspection is to discourage people of boosting on the sponge heavily.
It is very much like the Speed Gun to catch the reckless drivers. No one would dare to drive beyond the limits when being aware of presence of the traffic inspector someplace around.
Still, it is all of little effect, I guess. After a while, players will take some more precautions and will go on with boosting to the full, sorry..

Edited by igorponger - 05/20/2019 at 12:53am
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If a roller is used, dismantle rubber could have more thickness
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WELCOME TO THE HELL !!
ITTF got now enabled to detect those thickness illegalities on plyers' rubbers.

https://www.ittf.com/2019/05/27/ittf-steps-measures-boostering/


Some rubber manufacturers keep marketing rubbers of marginal legality,
total thickness some 3.9 --3.95 millimeters in clear.
We do suggest that every competitive player should check out the actual thickness on fresh rubbers just unpacked.
Loupe glass with calibration bar, with inbuid LED illumiation is the very advicable. 13 Usd now available from some china shops.

Be happy.



Edited by igorponger - 05/27/2019 at 12:13pm
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

WELCOME TO THE HELL !!

https://www.ittf.com/2019/05/27/ittf-steps-measures-boostering/


Some rubber manufacturers keep marketing rubbers only marginally legal, some 3.9 --3.95 millimeters thickness in clear.

We suggest that every player should check the actual thickness on the fresh rubbers just unpacked.
Loupe glass with calibration bar, with inbuid LED illumiation is the best. 13 Usd now available from some china shops.

Be happy.

only a very small percentage of players play ittf events.
it's like a subgroup of the already exclusive group of national team players.
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Nobody here even needs to worry about this... 
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Why don't they just let it go and allow boosting. lol 
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Why don't they just let it go and allow boosting. lol 


I'm a little confused by all of this but it feels like this is less about boosting and more about top players using special rubbers and sponges that aren't actually approved by the ittf. This is especially the case with DHS rubbers and the Chinese National Team.

Someone please clarify if I'm wrong.
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every single pro player orders his rubber to his specs 
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Why don't they just let it go and allow boosting. lol 


I'm a little confused by all of this but it feels like this is less about boosting and more about top players using special rubbers and sponges that aren't actually approved by the ittf. This is especially the case with DHS rubbers and the Chinese National Team.

Someone please clarify if I'm wrong.

You could say these folks have lost it.

After all these years, they've more or less accepted the crude truth that the latest-and-greatest boosters are virtually undetectable by this expensive-piece-of-shit called ENEZ/ELIZE/RAE unless they rip the rubbers off and analyze them through gas chromatography(?) in the lab, which is cost-prohibitive. Even then, they couldn't tell whether the booster was applied at the factory-level.

But to pamper the crybabies such as Boll and Mizutani(I gotta wonder if they know factory-boosting is fine), the folks have to come up with another attempt/farce to show that they're looking into it.

Edited by zeio - 05/28/2019 at 6:23am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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IT IS TIME TO BRING UP A SUIT AGAINST DHS Sports Goods Shanghai, CHINA®   ..

Originally posted by T4 Racket Coverings. ITTF Technical Leaflet, effecive of January 2018. T4 Racket Coverings. ITTF Technical Leaflet, effecive of January 2018. wrote:


5. Changes in racket coverings
The ITTF authorisation applies to a racket covering as originally submitted and tested;   its subsequent alteration, by a supplier, a player or anyone else, is not permitted (Law 2.4.7).

The sandwich rubber of DHS Hurricane III Neo with "exclusive" blue sponge would make a high-profile lawsuit, given the fact that the "exclusive" version of blue sponge, as now only supplied to CNT, never been endorsed with ITTF approval. DHS did never presented the tuned /treated sponges to ITTF testing laboratory in Singapure for approval. Never.
The normal blue sponge (commercial version) formally approved by ITTF, and then it received an extra treatment, as is now prohibited by ITTF.   The treated blue sponge is generally known as 'National Version of Blue Sponge', and it is an illegal product, at any rate.

      INNOVATORY TESTINGS ON RUBBER.
We have now got a device able to detect post-approval treatments on the rubber, whether done by player, supplier or anybody else.
The pocket-size device of NIR SPECTROMETER LinkSquare© will make an instant comparison of the rubber sample to ITTF Rubber Datebase.

I will set up here some demo videos of the device as I get an authorized permisson.

Be happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Edited by igorponger - 05/29/2019 at 5:16am
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

IT IS TIME TO BRING UP A SUIT AGAINST DHS Sports Goods Shanghai, CHINA®   ..

Originally posted by T4 Racket Coverings. ITTF Technical Leaflet, effecive of January 2018. T4 Racket Coverings. ITTF Technical Leaflet, effecive of January 2018. wrote:


5. Changes in racket coverings
The ITTF authorisation applies to a racket covering as originally submitted and tested;   its subsequent alteration, by a supplier, a player or anyone else, is not permitted (Law 2.4.7).

The sandwich rubber of DHS Hurricane III Neo with "exclusive" blue sponge would make a high-profile lawsuit, given the fact that the "exclusive" version of blue sponge, as now only supplied to CNT, never been endorsed with ITTF approval. DHS did never presented the tuned /treated sponges to ITTF testing laboratory in Singapure for approval. Never.
The normal blue sponge (commercial version) formally approved by ITTF, and then it received an extra treatment, as is now prohibited by ITTF.   The treated blue sponge is generally known as 'National Version of Blue Sponge', and it is an illegal product, at any rate.

      INNOVATORY TESTINGS ON RUBBER.
We have now got a device able to detect post-approval treatments on the rubber, whether done by player, supplier or anybody else.
The pocket-size device of NIR SPECTROMETER LinkSquare© will make an instant comparison of the rubber sample to ITTF Rubber Datebase.

I will set up here some demo videos of the device as I get an authorized permisson.

Be happy.

Test the device on  abusev rubbers you will be SAD
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