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igorponger
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Posted: 08/25/2013 at 5:30pm |
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TO BE READ BY TABLE TENNIS EDUCATORS AND TRAINERS FIRST. Here is a short insructional video of --HOW CAN YOU BEAT Masato Shiono in the best surest manner.. just do as WangHao had done versus SongMan.. As everybody knows --All the modern defenders are much alike. Shiono is just a Japanese edition of SongMan / JOO Se Hyuk ----------- Take a look at WH's racket hand powerful motion, as hitting the underspin ball. Unlike what Europeans would do, his racket hand goes far forwards rather tnan upwards. Swift hand swing with a power FORWARD movement is the first requisition to demolish any defender. ---------
They do have nor go forwards, nor power enough in their topspins .. Edited by igorponger - 08/25/2013 at 7:46pm |
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JimT
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Igor, you really amaze me sometimes... don't you ever listen to what you are about to say before you post?
Do you really think top coaches and elite players do not know how to play vs defenders? I wonder what Vladimir Samsonov would say if he read your post? He is a very Euro-style player who has NEVER EVER had any real problems with top defenders including Joo Se Hyuk, Chen Weixing or even Hou Yingchao. Same can be said about Timo Boll who dropped a couple of matches to Joo but still almost always beats defenders. It's not the technique, it's the consistency of play. And if we are talking about technique - do you know (of course you do, you know all of that stuff) that Chinese players who have "no problems" vs top defenders (like Wang Hao, Xu Xin, Ma Long) all use hard-sponged tacky rubbers on FH... and that's why their topspin (loop) motion is different from that of players using European style rubbers? Then if you do know all that, why exactly are you posting everything that jumps into your head before trying to think it through? Please next time, sleep on it... then post. Or don't. |
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amateur
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And as I already wrote in the Czech Open thread: the last man to beat Shiono was a European - Zoran Primorac at the US Open. But then again, he is the one coaching for UMMC, not igorponger.
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Baal
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Igor, are you hitting the vodka today? Normally I can figure out what you are trying to say, even if it is usually --- how to put this--- well, an unusual opinion. This time I can't even decode it. Yes.
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popperlocker
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Easy fellas, you guys don't have to take his words to heart. I understand the point Igor was suggesting. The Chinese drive forward more(with the help of tacky rubbers). Which makes it easier to blast the ball past defenders. As we know, Primorac didn't win by blasting the ball, but with smart, controlled play. All equipment and technique has it pros and cons.
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snerdly
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WH's fh shot quality does make life difficult for defenders. But very few players can do what WH does against defenders. Lets not forget that WH is considered to have the most powerful (fastest?) fh drive among the Chinese players.
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ZApenholder
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Well, in a parallel thread.
I am asking about Choppers/modern defenders in Europe. I know the older gen Europeans, if we can call it Timo's age and up, are better against defenders. I'm not familiar with the tier2 or younger Europeans, especially at Czech Open. But it does seem like they do struggle, just like CNT players at times. But if it is your weakness, and your goal (national goal) is to get to the top, then i'm sure they will be working on this problem very soon. |
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Tinykin
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Who said that?? I am surprised to hear that as I always thought that WLQ was the epitome of extreme power. |
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APW46
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Give world class defenders some credit please, its as if some people think they only play that way so they can be cannon fodder, to be a pro player on the world circuit means that a player is a success, and to think that some players 'struggle' with them only because of their own inadequacies is massively disrespectful. They don't win world singles events, so what? neither do 99.9 % of pro players, but choosing that style of play, in a world of decreasing diversity, can give them the edge to get there. The players who struggle against them are not as good at reading the spin, the ones who do well read it well, it doesn't matter how you do it, with power or finesse if you win.
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Very Very True.
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snerdly
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I believe it was Wang Tao. Relying on memory it is likely that I have left out any given qualifiers. To be certain, WLQ, WH, M Lin, M Long, ZJK, XX and some of the younger players all are capable of executing monstrous loops, each likely to be better than another in some aspect, close or far, against underpin or topspin, etc. To me WH's fh is at its best when very close to the table and going for speed, using a lot of wood in the loop, a few feet back and it is not as effective. I always thought that WLQ's strength was in his ability to loop drive many balls in a row, not that it was the fastest speed wise.
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+1. WH is a beast. I saw him play Chen Weixing at the 2011 English Open, and WH literally destroyed him - every other shot from WH from a FH drive or loop past the opponent. |
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Kreanga and Persson also beat JSH in the past and I also seen JSH beating Chinese players. So, Europeans can beat choppers ,it is important to be in good shape in that match.
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JimT
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One more reason why Wang Hao, Xu Xin and Ma Lin have an amazing record vs elite defenders is that it is a bit easier for a penholder to execute powerful over-the-table loop, especially when they have plenty of time. Not the main reason of course... Wang Hao vs Joo Se Hyuk - 16 wins, 1 loss Xu Xin vs Joo Se Hyuk - 5 wins, 0 losses Ma Lin vs Joo Se Hyuk - 14 wins, 6 losses Wang Hao vs Chen Weixing - 6 wins, 1 loss Xu Xin vs Chen Weixing - never played Ma Lin vs Chen Weixing - 5 wins, 0 losses Ma Lin vs Koji Matsushita - 4 wins, 0 losses Wang Hao vs Hou Yingchao - 10 wins, 1 loss Xu Xin vs Hou Yingchao - 7 wins, 0 losses Ma Lin vs Hou Yingchao - 7 wins, 1 loss |
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ejmaster
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Even being so good Whao and MaLin were beaten in the singles wttc 2003 by defenders. Painful loss in such a big event.
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That last for sure statement from coaching staff on best FH's were still Wang Liqin for Power (His nick name is Da Li come on!) and Ma Lin for speed and precision. That was only about a year ago from a CNT interview.
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