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Can someone please tell me the difference (from playability point of view)between "TIBHAR SAMSONOV FORCE PRO" AND "TIBHAR SAMSONOV FORCE PRO BLACK EDITION " and which will be more preferable from a beginner's point of view, n why ?

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the blue one is more elastic and feel more vibration

in terms of speed similar but with the blue one you get much more spin

i play quite oft the powerwood as well you play 

the force pro is better in terms of spin and speed and is not so head heavy 
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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

the blue one is more elastic and feel more vibration

in terms of speed similar but with the blue one you get much more spin

i play quite oft the powerwood as well you play 

the force pro is better in terms of spin and speed and is not so head heavy 

Hello Friend,

So would you suggest me to use Tibhar Force Pro (the blue one) over the black edition one ?

I understand that you have the same blade as i have "Tibhar Power wood" , How often do you play with it ? n which one do you prefer to play with  ?

Can you please tell me the difference between the two (power wood and force pro)

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how heavy is your powerwood?
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After using them a lot, I have to suggest you the blue one (force pro) and not the black edition. The black edition is like a clipper wood. It needs a little more experience to use the black ed, i mean being an intermediate player. If you are an intermediate player, the black ed is very easy to use and it is blade full of potential. Now if you are a more kind of beginner player or player that you improve your skills, the blue one is what you need.
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the blue one is for sure not for beginners
was used by Samsoniv and still used by Flemming a german profi

The black edition has different feeling but has not difficult to play with

i think the black edition plays more closed to the powerwood  but is faster
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IF you like a slower flexy blade, blue edition.  IF you like a faster stiffer blade, black edition.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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the blue is faster but more flexy than powerwood
the black is faster and stiffer than powerwood

i played the three blade in the last weeks using the same rubbers


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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

the blue one is for sure not for beginners
was used by Samsoniv and still used by Flemming a german profi

The black edition has different feeling but has not difficult to play with

i think the black edition plays more closed to the powerwood  but is faster

If you read more careful my post I said "If you are more kind of begginer", so apparently not a begginer!
To play with the black ed needs some skills cause it is a clipper wood, and if you think that everybody in every level can play with a clipper, your thought is not right.
And I totally disagree that the black edition plays like the powerwood.

And I am saying all these cause I have played these 3 blades with the same rubbers for many months per blade.



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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

how heavy is your powerwood?

Its about 90 gms 
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ok your powerwood has a medium weight

there are samples with 94g/95g they are fast, full off 

this meas is better to go for a force pro bue with the same weight or go for a black one with 86g-88g


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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

ok your powerwood has a medium weight

there are samples with 94g/95g they are fast, full off 

this meas is better to go for a force pro bue with the same weight or go for a black one with 86g-88g



alright. which rubber would you suggest me (preferably of tibhar, as my friend is the dealer, n i can get it for much more cheaper.) My forehand is strong, compared to my back hand. i love to use top spin n smash the ball occasionally, with bh i play more of chop and spinny serves.
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fh: go for evolution els 
bh: i don't know 


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For bh choose the tibhar aurus sound. Great rubber.
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Dimensions tibhar force pro and tibhar force pro black edition???
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Hey, I had both blades here are some facts:

Force Pro ST: Thickness 22 mm wideness 27,8 - 28,0 mm  very thin and small handle size which is more for youth players, children or persons with small hands. sqarish handle but not as squarish like Butterfly ST handles.

Black Edition ST: thickness 23,0 mm, wideness around 29 mm. round ST handle but not as round as Donic blades
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Thanks spirit, Dimensions adheres Where The Rubber ??

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I have played with the Force Pro Black edition. If you can stand the weight, you can put in Evolution MX-P for FH if you like higher throw on FH or EL-P for lower throw. There is not much difference in speed and both rubbers spin well with the FPB. For BH, i like a lower throw rubber, so EL-P suites me. But with both Evo rubbers, the total weight is heavy. If you want to light it up, you can try FX-P or Tenergy 64 for BH.

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Guys, our friend amitchatterjee, told us that his backhand is not as strong as his forehand, so he needs a spinny rubber because he uses bh for serving and controlable at the same time to "chop" and also help him for better blocks.

So for me...I insist to my first state, to buy  tibhar aurus sound for his bh and whatever he wants from the evolution series for his fh.


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Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Guys, our friend <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 21px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">amitchatterjee, told us that his backhand is not as strong as his forehand, so he needs a spinny rubber because he uses bh for serving and controlable at the same time to "chop" and also help him for better blocks.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">So for me...I insist to my first state, to buy  tibhar aurus sound for his bh and whatever he wants from the evolution series for his fh.</span>



That's good advice. I'm using MX-P FH and Aurus BH on one of my setups
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Dimensions adheres Where The Rubber ?, force pro and force pro black edition?
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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Guys, our friend <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 21px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">amitchatterjee, told us that his backhand is not as strong as his forehand, so he needs a spinny rubber because he uses bh for serving and controlable at the same time to "chop" and also help him for better blocks.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">So for me...I insist to my first state, to buy  tibhar aurus sound for his bh and whatever he wants from the evolution series for his fh.</span>



That's good advice. I'm using MX-P FH and Aurus BH on one of my setups

With an aurus, and special sound, you can't go wrong with it Wink
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Force Pro Special Edition:http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tibhar-force-pro-special-edition

Only available from TT11 it seems. More info is here: http://blog.tabletennis11.com/force-pro-special-edition

Mine is 79 g. I always wanted to try a light 'clipper' and here it is!

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Odd thread to resurrect just to pitch an ad. 

Not sure if it should be moved to the For Sale section or the Equipment section.
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Odd thread to resurrect just to pitch an ad. 

Not sure if it should be moved to the For Sale section or the Equipment section.

I am simply informing Samsonov's fans that there is a fresh edition of Force Pro Black that happens to be lighter than the regular version.

and, BTW, it is spectacular! Smile
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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Odd thread to resurrect just to pitch an ad. 

Not sure if it should be moved to the For Sale section or the Equipment section.

I am simply informing Samsonov's fans that there is a fresh edition of Force Pro Black that happens to be lighter than the regular version.

and, BTW, it is spectacular! Smile


I assume that you're talking about the Force Pro Special Edition, no? The one with the black inner plies?
I also ordered this blade form TT11 as soon as it came out but I didn't have the chance to test it yet since I have so many other things to try out...
You say that it is spectacular. Spectacular in what way? Could you elaborate on that a little bit and may I ask what rubbers you use on it?


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Originally posted by Nightsky Nightsky wrote:

Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Odd thread to resurrect just to pitch an ad. 

Not sure if it should be moved to the For Sale section or the Equipment section.

I am simply informing Samsonov's fans that there is a fresh edition of Force Pro Black that happens to be lighter than the regular version.

and, BTW, it is spectacular! Smile


I assume that you're talking about the Force Pro Special Edition, no? The one with the black inner plies?
I also ordered this blade form TT11 as soon as it came out but I didn't have the chance to test it yet since I have so many other things to try out...
You say that it is spectacular. Spectacular in what way? Could you elaborate on that a little bit and may I ask what rubbers you use on it?

With "spectacular" I was just teasing Icontek. I only tested the blade for a short period of time. I do like it already for several reasons. First of all, as I mentioned above, I always wanted to try a light "clipper" because I like to play with light <80g blades.  Secondly, I was pleased to learn that I can actually control it! I am coming from Fuga and tried other blades too. I was under the impression that I could not go faster than OFF-. Force Pro Special is faster than Fuga, but the control is there.  I am not an expert on describing blades but to me the blade feels like it has some flex even though it is 7-ply. I do not feel much of unpleasant vibrations. Thirdly, the handle (FL) fits very pleasantly in my hand. It is a roundish FL handle. The handle was reported to be different from that of regular Force Pro Black.

Now is time for some possibly bad news. Force Pro Special Edition might be head heavy. Let me explain why I suspect this. Right now I have V42 & V47 (both 1.7 mm). They probably weight ~40 and ~44 g. each without glue. The paddle feels very balanced but when I tried other slightly oversized rubbers I did notice some head heaviness.


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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Nightsky Nightsky wrote:

Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Odd thread to resurrect just to pitch an ad. 

Not sure if it should be moved to the For Sale section or the Equipment section.

I am simply informing Samsonov's fans that there is a fresh edition of Force Pro Black that happens to be lighter than the regular version.

and, BTW, it is spectacular! Smile


I assume that you're talking about the Force Pro Special Edition, no? The one with the black inner plies?
I also ordered this blade form TT11 as soon as it came out but I didn't have the chance to test it yet since I have so many other things to try out...
You say that it is spectacular. Spectacular in what way? Could you elaborate on that a little bit and may I ask what rubbers you use on it?

With "spectacular" I was just teasing Icontek. I only tested the blade for a short period of time. I do like it already for several reasons. First of all, as I mentioned above, I always wanted to try a light "clipper" because I like to play with light <80g blades.  Secondly, I was pleased to learn that I can actually control it! I am coming from Fuga and tried other blades too. I was under the impression that I could not go faster than OFF-. Force Pro Special is faster than Fuga, but the control is there.  I am not an expert on describing blades but to me the blade feels like it has some flex even though it is 7-ply. I do not feel much of unpleasant vibrations. Thirdly, the handle (FL) fits very pleasantly in my hand. It is a roundish FL handle. The handle was reported to be different from that of regular Force Pro Black.

Now is time for some possibly bad news. Force Pro Special Edition might be head heavy. Let me explain why I suspect this. Right now I have V42 & V47 (both 1.7 mm). They probably weight ~40 and ~44 g. each without glue. The paddle feels very balanced but when I tried other slightly oversized rubbers I did notice some head heaviness.



It seems that I missed some sort of an inside joke between you and icontek. Anyway, thanks for your response and sharing your impressions. The smaller handle was actually one of the reasons I ordered it since I have rather small hands. I can confirm that the handle is (also) suitable for peolple with smaller hands. But on the other hand I intended to put either Sanwei Target National or Xiom Vega China on forehand and some euro/jap rubber on the backhand (both sides at least 2mm). Given your impressions about (possible) head heaviness I might have to rethink. My Force Pro Special Edition weighs 89 gr. by the way..
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Originally posted by Nightsky Nightsky wrote:

... Given your impressions about (possible) head heaviness I might have to rethink. My Force Pro Special Edition weighs 89 gr. by the way..
Again, thanks for your response.

this a huge weight range. good to know. my 79 g. blade was by request. my hands are medium size. the handle feels quite perfect. now I am thinking that I would enjoy it even more if it were a notch bulkier. But I would not be able to go the other way. Anything thinner would not work for me.

I've tried a totally different blade with similar rubbers and it seems comparably head heavy. So, maybe I am just too sensitive about weight distribution. But your 10 extra grams must be in the head, no in the handle.
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I recently got a force pro black edition 82g. Older versions used to be 90+. I think they slimmed the handle size just a tiny bit but it’s still bigger overall compared to bty handles (which is why I got one). 

With 2 MXPs 2.2 it feels slightly head heavy but most of the balance is going to the middle of the blade. 

Great overall setup, not too fast.
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