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Baal
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Pondus, do you also agree that the surface of the TB-ALC is a lot shinier and harder than for Viscaria, as if they have treated it with something?
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slevin
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My take on these 2 similar blades:
I recently acquired a 87g FL Viscaria from a BTY dealer. I own a 87g ST TB-ALC. Both are 91g after Tournagrip. I put same rubbers on both (T05 FH, T80 BH, all max) to check out how the two blades (that I own; others may see different views) differ. The most significant differences are:
As of now, I'm leaning towards my Vis over the TB-ALC. However, I'm flabbergasted how in-demand this blade is in US & China. I'm assuming this is not the case in Europe. Pretty sure that a reasonable chunk of that is just due to the CNT players using it. Now, Eugene Wang (here in NA) also seems to have moved to this blade from the IF-ZLC as do many Chinese imports. Hopefully ZJK moves onto some other blade thus bringing down the demand on this one to a more reasonable level.
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Baal
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slevin, That same surface sealing that you see on TB-ALC is also present on the ZJK blades but not on the TBS. I personally don't like it much, it changes the way the blade feels a bit and generally I don't like it. I have been playing with Viscaria since about 2007. It also annoys me that it is hard to find now! If only ZJK was not so good!
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slevin
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Having compared my Viscaria with the TB-ALC for 2 sessions (using the same rubbers on each blade), I now feel that the inner core in Viscaria is truly different than the one in TB-ALC as the BTY marketing spiel suggests: Balsa vs Kiri.
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Baal
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I still wonder, though, if the difference is in the inner core, or if it is something they do to the top ply of their newer models, or even something different in the gluing process? I don't know much about wood, but I always wondered why Btfly would give incorrect information about the composition of their blades, and that favors your conclusion. But people who seem to know a lot about wood always seemed convinced it couldn't be balsa in the core of a Viscaria. I have never felt competent to give an opinion on that, other than to say that it seems somewhat less pliable than other balsas I have seen in blades.
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mhnh007
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I think the difference has more to do with the top ply, and handle shape. If I have been with the Viscaria for a while, and switch over to TBALC, I can see that the TB is harder, yet a bit dull (lack of feeling). OTH if I have been playing with the TBALC for a while, and switch back to Viscaria, I feel the Viscaria is rough, and it take a bit longer to adjust. Over all I like the TBALC better, because I like ST handle more, and play with it more than the Viscaria. |
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Baal
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For sure, it is not that hard to adjust from one to the other, they are enough alike, but I certainly have a preference for one.
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Mickael
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There is no wrong information, viscaria has a balsa core, no wonder among all the alc blades it is the only one that has a soft feel. There is no miracles it is the balsa.
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AgentHEX
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Yeah, Butterfly must be such idiots to put anything but balsa in their core.
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cede1975
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Viscaria is the same compo as TB ALC, kiri core, but different balance due to blade shape and handle design. generally viscaria is tip heavy more harder than TB ALC. These are all general facts.
balsa core is viscaria light, the durability of balsa core blade is just shyte. keep in mind just by smashing alone repetitively by an adult can damage the core within weeks. No one in right mind would want a balsa core blade especially when balls get heavier. That is why viscaria light is obselete.
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jpenmaster
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Viscaria doesn't have Balsa core or else it would weigh 70g. Balsa is nearly half the weight of Kiri(Paulownia) . You cant have Kiri core blade and a balsa core blade of the same thickness weigh the same(Unless serverly different weight handles). Kiri is known as Japanese balsa and that's where the translation issue came from. The difference between TB ALC and Viscaria is in the wings and handle. It's the same difference between all the Koto / ALC blades. You want the softest feeling ALC get Kenta. You want the fastest get TB ALC. Realize depending on Epoxy cure and weight that they will over lap. I know this is an old post but let's get the facts straight
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