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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

I can't believe I read through this entire thread. It took a long time. Haven't been on this forum much lately, but sarcasm and pissing aside this is a really good discussion with a lot of good content. I wish I had seen this sooner, as at this point it's impossible to even come close to the points I would have made and how I can even begin to articulate them.

At the end of the day, CNT rubber is NOT a magic dragon. It's not a top secret sponge. It's not a top secret topsheet. There isn't top secret booster. It's effing Hurricane/Skyline and that's that. I heard someone say that the hurricane used by them is only similar at a passing glance to hurricane us normal people can buy, and coming from someone who has used and seen and played with a racket directly from a current CNT member I can say with 100% certainty that this is false. 

People will say they heard from their cousins room mate that the pro hurricane is on some tenergy sponge, forged from the tears of unicorns, crafted under the boots of Zeus, and sent down to Germany to be completed and then shipped off to China. False. 

HURRICANE 3 IS STILL HURRICANE 3.

Roundrobin earlier made a strong point. DHS is set up to make cheap rubber and bring it to the masses. They have a HUGE market. They're on every premade. They are focused on getting this rubber out for everyone, but can only sustain those numbers at a certain quality. Therefore, you have a ton of variation, a good amount of QC dips, etc. But it allows them to get the stuff commonly referred to as 'commercial' out and about for everybody. It's why you can buy it for nothing. Only the enthusiasts and elite (more of a minority in the overall scope of TT players) care about getting the better stuff. 

Timo and Marcos and Dima didn't try a top secret impossible to find super weapon. They played with boosted Chinese rubber. That's all it is. Boosted Chinese rubber is the business. Of course they felt the advantage it can have in certain situations. Timo probably thought it was insane, because he's probably the only pro who doesn't boost. His mind was likely blown.

The CNT players are given a certain amount of rubber every month. DHS sponsors the CNT directly. They don't sponsor the German Team, or the Japanese team. They don't need to seek out foreign players for sponsorships to promote their brand, they already have the best players at home. The most consistent product is of course going to the nations cream of the crop players. Just like european players get 'custom' rubber, the CNT does. By custom, they aren't getting different types of magic, they are picking the most consistent product (similar to the previous mention of Dima selecting his premium sheets from 100 tenergies) picking the sponge they want (blue or orange kid?) getting it at the hardness they want (for example, the 40.5 you see ZJK plays with) and getting the weight they want. That's as exciting as it gets. Again, they aren't magic sponges with HGH injected, they are #20 and #22 sponges with tip top QC and delivered to the aforementioned specifications. 

Of course they are boosting it. Just like Europeans and other Asians are of course boosting their Tenergy. There is plenty of photo evidence from european tournaments supporting this. (remember, the selection of photos where Timo's was somehow the only one that didn't look stretched and mangled) 

Timo is a stand up guy. He takes his sponsorship very seriously. With that said, He's the face of the biggest TT brand there is. He should have the best of the best, but he tries something that he thinks is better and of course he's going to be wondering. But all three of those pros know this rubber isn't impossible to get. Hell, Dima and Timo could get it if they wanted no problem. BUT, it's not gonna come always free for them, and it's not going to be easy to get the sheets coming to them with the specifications and consistency they want. In other words, they could play with hurricane. They can get hurricane. No problem. But they can't get the sponsored treatment, and that's their qualm. DHS is a Chinese company, with Chinese pride, and sponsors Chinese players. 

This beckons the question, do you think if Dima or Timo or Freitas would take a DHS sponsorship if they could? HELL NO. Because they wouldn't be the face, or the big name of the brand. They wouldn't have their poster accross TT halls all over the world, because nobody but China cares about DHS sponsorships. DHS doesn't have to seek out sponsorships of other pros like butterfly and tibhar and donic etc do because their at home player base is more than large enough. Butterfly needs to seek those players out to promote themselves as the go to brand. Do you think ZJK went to butterfly about a sponsorship? HELL NO. They chased him down. 

But taking away the chinese rubber to "Create a level playing field" and making them play with "what's commecially available" is horse crap. It's down to sponsorships. 

So to review:

-CNT rubber is not mystical and top secret. It's Chinese rubber, with specifications to each player on hardness, weight, consistency, etc. 

-Boosted Chinese rubber is enough magic on its own. It does have superior grip, and is objectively better over the table. It can be boosted to how fast the player wants it. Of course a few european pros can recognize these qualities and deem themselves at a disadvantage equipment wise.

-However, what's also said by these pros is how good these top chinese players are outside of this. If you read them in full, you never get the impression that they blame the equipment or feel like it matters (even dima mentions Ma Long is just too concise and deliberate on dictating the first few balls, and he can't get around that) It's important to not forget this.

-Timo Boll isn't speaking with his personal disadvantage in mind, he's speaking to the general state of things. He is also a human being, and just because he has an opinion doesn't mean it's the ultimate truth. 

-This kind of crap is ITTF's fault. Legalize it already, or hatch a damn plan and get it going. This negativity and hostility is their fault alone for creating this environment. 

Idk, at this point my post is probably a disorganized mess and impossible to follow. I digress. 



Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24

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Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24
why the hell is JSH boosting? 
Is boosted H3 more powerful than regular tenergy?
Why do all CNT flip the paddle during lob kills and finish with Tenergy?
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why the hell is JSH boosting? 
I don't believe that the racket belongs to Joo. He has always used a blade with a flared handle, and a red rubber on his forehand.
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Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">why the hell is JSH boosting? </span>

I don't believe that the racket belongs to Joo. He has always used a blade with a flared handle, and a red rubber on his forehand.

It doesn't! That was Ruwen Filus' blade.
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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">why the hell is JSH boosting? </span>

I don't believe that the racket belongs to Joo. He has always used a blade with a flared handle, and a red rubber on his forehand.

It doesn't! That was Ruwen Filus' blade.


#24 is Irene Ivancan (see #23).
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">why the hell is JSH boosting? </span>

I don't believe that the racket belongs to Joo. He has always used a blade with a flared handle, and a red rubber on his forehand.

It doesn't! That was Ruwen Filus' blade.


#24 is Irene Ivancan (see #23).

An #12 and 13 are pics of Ruwen's blade.
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Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">why the hell is JSH boosting? </span>

I don't believe that the racket belongs to Joo. He has always used a blade with a flared handle, and a red rubber on his forehand.


And joo plays with TSP Pips
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The full interview is now also available online:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/mehr-sport/tischtennis-star-timo-boll-ueber-tricks-von-chinesen-14043588.html


ITTF has reacted by examining a new testing method, which could be implemented for the Olympics. The players' commission is no longer opposed to post-match rubber testing:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/mehr-sport/neues-kontroll-verfahren-fuer-tischtennisschlaeger-belaege-14073793.html

Professor Motschmanns Grundkonzept ist schon bei Thomas Weikert gelandet, dem deutschen Präsidenten der ITTF. Nach einer ersten internen Prüfung, die positiv verlaufen ist, hat Weikert die Ausrüstungskommission seines Weltverbandes beauftragt, bis zum 27. Februar eine Expertise für die Umsetzbarkeit zu erstellen, damit das Exekutivkomitee des Weltverbandes über die Einführung der neuen Tests entscheiden kann. Das Gremium tritt wenige Tage danach im Rahmen der Mannschafts-Weltmeisterschaften in Kuala Lumpur zusammen. Bis zu den Olympischen Spielen im August könnte das neue Kontrollverfahren schon eingeführt sein. Weikert ist optimistisch: „Wenn die ganze Sache mit einem vertretbaren Aufwand umsetzbar und zu finanzieren ist, wird niemand etwas dagegen sagen.“

ITTF-Präsident Weikert wehrt sich gegen Bolls Vorwurf, der Verband sei in der Vergangenheit tatenlos geblieben: „Wir hatten uns des Themas getunte Schläger schon angenommen, weil wir Chancengleichheit für alle Spieler wollen. Aber die Athletenkommission war zunächst dagegen, dass die Spieler zu Testzwecken ihre Beläge vom Schläger abreißen müssen. Das wäre ein nicht zu akzeptierender Eingriff, weil die Schläger sensibel seien. Außerdem hätten manche Spieler nur einen Belag für ein Turnier.“ Mittlerweile habe aber der Sprecher der zehnköpfigen Kommission, der Weißrusse Wladimir Samsonow, signalisiert, dass die Spieler damit einverstanden seien. „Timos Interview hat die Angelegenheit sicher beschleunigt.“


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Finally they are doing something against boosting!!!! It will be very interesting to see how the chinese will do if it comes through before the olympic games!
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Nothing in particular as Boll has always been eliminated before meeting any Chinese player.

2000 Lost to Schlager in the Rd of 16
2004 Lost to we-all-know-who in the QF
2008 Lost to Oh in the Rd of 16
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Weikert interview (in German):
http://www.mytischtennis.de/public/Buntes/7939/weikert---bdquo-die-wm-ist-unzureichend-organisiert-ldquo?seite=1

He's not happy with Boll's "80% are cheaters" statement, and the Chinese aren't amused either. ITTF will decide soon whether to introduce new testing, or to legalize post-factory treatment.
Also, the balls suck, and the next 2 world championships (in Germany and Sweden) will be better organized.

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In response, a CNT coach says that while there is a fair degree of technology in table tennis rubber and glue, it is beyond bizarre to say that is the root cause behind the CNT dominance.  Also, a specialist of a table tennis manufacturer openly admits to the common practice of treating the sponge with booster, insisting that it has no effect on the top sheet.  And that not only ML or ZJK, but even FZD can spot Boll a few points and still win because Boll's problem lies in his deteriorating form and dated technique.

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TIMO'S ACCUSITIONS DID TAKE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT.....

Just have got a skimpy leakage from inside the ITTF BoD plenary meeting of March 2, 2016, Kuala Lumpur WTCC.
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    In effective response to Timo Ball's notable accusitions (80% players still boosting) ITTF has now decided to test players' rackets for the oily admixtures during an event., using the SCiO device.
    Effective from July 10 this year.

Sincerely glad for Timo, I happy to hear the news. Such an anti boost measure is due and over due, indeed ,,.
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With the order to better fulfil the present decision,   ITTF now appointed for DHS manufacturer to denounce all the actual oily additives as now used to saturate into the National Hurricane blue sponge at factory spot.   
Yes, I can see the true reason why ITTF needs to be well aware of the factory additives inside the sponge.
Still am unsure if DHS got pleased to unveil own secret receipts /materials in public..   Again, I well guess ITTF did pledged not to promulgate the secret formula elsewhere.   
SCiO can recognize any oil admixture inside a rubber material that over 1% of total weight.
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i am sure that will kick the chinese out of top 10. 

I actually really want to see ZJK's forehand with T05. It is already so nasty with H3.. can you imagine the curve it will have with T05?


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The more changes are introduced to the game, the bigger the advantage the Chinese will have. They devote more money, time, people and all the associated other resources to table tennis than any other country.

You might surprise them (and the rest of the top players) at one tournament with new testing, but it won't last more than a couple of months.

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Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:


Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24

why the hell is JSH boosting? 
Is boosted H3 more powerful than regular tenergy?
Why do all CNT flip the paddle during lob kills and finish with Tenergy?


Dont tell me you think joo is not boosting.
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Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:


Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24

why the hell is JSH boosting? 
Is boosted H3 more powerful than regular tenergy?
Why do all CNT flip the paddle during lob kills and finish with Tenergy?


Sticky Chinese rubber is great for producing spin, but a small detriment when trying to smash.

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Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:


Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24

why the hell is JSH boosting? 
Is boosted H3 more powerful than regular tenergy?
Why do all CNT flip the paddle during lob kills and finish with Tenergy?


Sticky Chinese rubber is great for producing spin, but a small detriment when trying to smash.

jfolsen

FWIW, in my experience, sticky Chinese is not that great for producing spin - it is great for *stopping* spin and playing close to the table, but the spin is actually not that great by itself.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:


Evidence od boostinghttp://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1437/profis---die-schlaeger-der-german-open-stars/24

why the hell is JSH boosting? 
Is boosted H3 more powerful than regular tenergy?
Why do all CNT flip the paddle during lob kills and finish with Tenergy?


Sticky Chinese rubber is great for producing spin, but a small detriment when trying to smash.

jfolsen

FWIW, in my experience, sticky Chinese is not that great for producing spin - it is great for *stopping* spin and playing close to the table, but the spin is actually not that great by itself.

My personal experience, as well as observations from pros:

1) Chinese (H3) is awful for smashing lobs.  Tenergy is much better.

2) Chinese is difficult for far off the table counter-looping unless well boosted and combined with the right paddle.  For example, boosted H3 on Viscera works well far off the table, but I've seen other combinations that don't work at all.

3) Chinese is very superior is the short game and control shots.  It's just much more versatile in what you can do with a short ball.

4) Whether Chinese or Tenergy is better at spin depends upon the kind of loop.  There are certain loops that seem to get better spin with Tenergy and certain loops that do better with H3.

5) Chinese is better at the classic third-ball quick kill.

6) Chinese is less effective against heavy underspin.  Not thinking here so much of playing against choppers but rather against strong service.

7) Chinese without boosting is lot more limited in making aggressive shots.

That's just my two cents worth. I mainly play with T05 but every so often (Monday this week, for example) I play with Chinese.
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FAIR PLAY FIRST.
Unduly competitive advantage never acceptable..


Player of any sport is forbidden of taking unfair advantage.    Applying posterior chemical additives on the sponge is an unfair advantage, anyway. No excuses will go.
   


Look here, NBA governers did strictly   f_o_r_b_i_d the APL "advanced" shoes, regardless the fact that the shoes only deliver a minor enhancement in playing performance.   

Likewise, in regard to table tennis, we ought to O_U_T_L_A_W any posterior boosting on the rubber, regardless it could really deliver some enhancement of ponger's performance or not. Player seeking for an unfair advantage is a-priori a guilty one.   No excuses acceptable.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5703947

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

In response, a CNT coach says that while there is a fair degree of technology in table tennis rubber and glue, it is beyond bizarre to say that is the root cause behind the CNT dominance.  Also, a specialist of a table tennis manufacturer openly admits to the common practice of treating the sponge with booster, insisting that it has no effect on the top sheet.  And that not only ML or ZJK, but even FZD can spot Boll a few points and still win because Boll's problem lies in his deteriorating form and dated technique.

This really misses the point.  TB is indeed no longer competitive with the best chinese, with or without boosting.  Even so, boosting is technically illegal and its use is providing an unfair advantage to any players (including chinese) who use it.  Unfair and illegal are just that, regardless of whether the player is already the best in the world.

By the way, my personal vote for which rule change has most benefited the Chinese would be the 40+ ball.
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By the way, my personal vote for which rule change has most benefited the Chinese would be the 40+ ball.

I can't really agree...Kong Linghui and LGL were winning all majors left and right just before the 40+ ball change, along with newcomers Wang Liqin, Wang Hao and Ma Lin...


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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:


By the way, my personal vote for which rule change has most benefited the Chinese would be the 40+ ball.

I can't really agree...Kong Linghui and LGL were winning all majors left and right just before the 40+ ball change, along with newcomers Wang Liqin, Wang Hao and Ma Lin...



I'm referring to the poly ball (marked 40+) introduced in 2014/2015, not the earlier celluloid 40 ball.  All of the players you listed were retired before 40+ poly.

I'm not saying that 40+ poly is the reason that the Chinese are superior; I'm claiming that it's made the disparity worse.  An example: prior to 40+ poly, Ovtcharov was the best new threat against the Chinese.  However, since the 40+ poly he has become much less significant.

I believe that with the 40+ poly, it will become harder for any new non-Chinese to either win the world championship or to reach #1 ranking.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:


I'm referring to the poly ball (marked 40+) introduced in 2014/2015, not the earlier celluloid 40 ball.  All of the players you listed were retired before 40+ poly.

I'm not saying that 40+ poly is the reason that the Chinese are superior; I'm claiming that it's made the disparity worse.  An example: prior to 40+ poly, Ovtcharov was the best new threat against the Chinese.  However, since the 40+ poly he has become much less significant.

I believe that with the 40+ poly, it will become harder for any new non-Chinese to either win the world championship or to reach #1 ranking.

You're right...I realized you are referring to 40+ poly ball, not the change from 38 to 40.  Smile  However, I do not think the former Chinese trio of WLQ, Ma Lin and Wang Hao were that much worse than the current Chinese squad that consists of Ma Long, XX, FZD and ZJK... So to say the 40+ poly ball introduction is the biggest change that favored the Chinese is stretching the truth by quite a bit.  It was not as if DO was winning world championships or the Olympics prior to the change...far from it.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote right2niru Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/11/2016 at 12:34am
Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

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More chances against China?

Without such a rule breaks (note: concerning boosted rubbers), which are only detectable in laboratories and not by conventional tests during tournaments, the former world number one could easily imagine a better chance against his permanent rivals from the Middle Kingdom: "If the Chinese pull with my bat and their usual technique a Topspin then he lands in his own half. "

You heard it from one of the world's best, folks.

And if any of the CNT were to "pull with my bat", a Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman oversize thin 5-ply European birch after a blade used by the English international Ian Harrison affixed with British Leyland, with "their usual technique a Topspin then he lands in his own quarter (if that)."Ouch

Hot mercy, Martha!  Has TT become a great sport or what (or what indeed)?  Let's go back to the future ASAP.  The next stagecoach out of Tombstone leaves about noon tomorrow.




How would European do if they use Chinese rubbers ....? 
Agreed there are some issues around testing and boosters not  detected but the real reason is  not the "Car" but the "Driver" and his practice / practice partners . 
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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

You're right...I realized you are referring to 40+ poly ball, not the change from 38 to 40.  Smile  However, I do not think the former Chinese trio of WLQ, Ma Lin and Wang Hao were that much worse than the current Chinese squad that consists of Ma Long, XX, FZD and ZJK... So to say the 40+ poly ball introduction is the biggest change that favored the Chinese is stretching the truth by quite a bit.  It was not as if DO was winning world championships or the Olympics prior to the change...far from it.


I think the 40+ poly ball favors the Chinese approach to table tennis in general, at least as practiced since maybe 1995.  So you can take any top Chinese since 1995 and I would expect them to improve their performance against the Europeans (even if they were already #1) with the 40+ poly ball.

I would not go so far as to claim that the 38 mm ball was better suited to the European style, but that might be the case.
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