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    Posted: 11/24/2011 at 5:56am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.

I am afraid it's too strict a requirement to ask of those knock-off factories, when even a genuine quality brand like Butterfly that claims "World Leading Quality" has trouble meeting that expectation.

While consistency may be the ultimate goal we all hope for in just about anything, in mass-production quantity has priority over quality.  The same goes for every thing in this world.  Take for example the eletronics, during its product lifecycle inside your gaming console the motherboard and the chips on it can go under multiple revisions that mostly involve simplification with one major purpose - to reduce the manufacturing costs while at the time increase production volume.

This applies to all brands, not just Butterfly.  Your best bet in getting the best quality in a product is probably starting with the second or third batch after its first release in the market, as the first batch can sometimes contain or reveal imperfections during production. This continues well into the first year after release while market share is building and anything after that is anyone's guess.



Edited by zeio - 11/24/2011 at 6:07am
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.


+1.
Agree with this.
Consistency is very important.
I am using IQUL rubbers now (i bought 8 total from same batch) but some post made in other thread say that this rubber became different in other batch and i became worried.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stiltt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/23/2011 at 10:05am
I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.
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colour of the sponge 

back side

tenergy 05 ( not perfect in cutting and shunken)
others got no problems





Edited by liang1983 - 11/23/2011 at 9:13am
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Anybody know what the white sticker with chinese on the back is all about?  It was on the Tenergy that I bought locally in China.  Do you think mine is fake?  It plays just like real Tenergy.
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FAKE Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 05 FX



Edited by liang1983 - 11/18/2011 at 5:25am
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I'm looking forward to your damage assessment Smile
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I asked my friend from China to order for me, hope can get it before 20Nov...
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

The other huge give away is something you can see in this fake Spin Art
 
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haha it's funny because you know that's what would happen, OMG Tenergy it's as good as they say. Dude did you realise I gave you a $4 fake one                  ":S"

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Originally posted by liang1983 liang1983 wrote:

Fake Tenergy 05 (FX) impressions


I want to give this to somebody who's never used Tenergy before to see how long they go on about how amazing it is LOL
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If we assume that makeing Table tennis (rubber and sponge + packaging etc) is a technical process then not every one can make it, therefor it (fakes) must be made in a Legal Table tennis rubber manufacturing  company in China, and at some some will be caught out.
 I recently saw some Butterfly Tenergy Rubbers at a slightly lower price, so I emailed to ask if they were genuine, thier reply was yes, so my wife who is Chinese and from the same City asks them and they said not real only fakes lol
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there are some clear tell tale signs for what rubbers are fake. price is a big deal, and its usually a very obvious discrepancy. Some well known sellers will price tenergy less than what butterfly says (for example, Iruiru), but this doesn't mean its fake, its only like a 5-10$ difference. The other huge give away is something you can see in this fake Spin Art
There is a gap between the bottom of the rubber and the stamp on the rubber. Real butterfly rubbers have no gap, and the bottom of the stamp is the bottom of the rubber. You can see in pictures 2 and 4 there is about a 1-2mm gap. Finally, sponge color. You cna also see in this product that the color of the sponge is very off compared to the real thing. 
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It sounds like it is pretty hard to tell them apart (real vs fake).  We could potentially be buying Fake T05 from this forum, right? 

What is there to do?????
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Atin used them and said it was no good as expected LOL. You can get a decent Chinese rubber for that price from a good company so why get a fake tenergy made in someones backyard
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Wat?!, T05 for only 28 RMB... that's just $4 USD...
 
 
 
Has anyone used these?  Please post your reviews....
 


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TQ for the info... But is hard to find Tenergys in my country =[
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You can get fake Bryce speed too and all the Tenergys they are all $3 to $5 on taobao 

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FAKE Sriver and Sriver FX






FAKE Sriver and Sriver FX is RM 46 each and REAL Sriver is RM73 and Sriver FX is RM 78
Seller claim that sponge is same but the top sheet is a little bit different... ...
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i think
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No, they order their stuff from registered distributor in Malaysia they are the one and only sole-distributor here.

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What do u think abaout presports?i have just made some butterfly rubber orders from there do u think they could be fake?
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well, pingpongonline.com isnt fake obvisouly, i like there stuff.

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wat do u guys think about presports.com and pingpongonline.com They're both pretty cheap
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Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

I don't mind wearing fake clothing brand but not fake rubber.

Yeah because the quality wont be the same, you'll suck more

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Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

I don't mind wearing fake clothing brand but not fake rubber.
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I don't mind wearing fake clothing barand but not fake rubber.
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I have heard about that as well. My friend bought a bunch of Srivers once for dirt cheap and found out they were the fake stuff. They don't feel the same and they don't last at all.
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Yeah, every popular brand is duplicated in china...i saw adidas clothing going for 5 american dollars...its blantantly obvious
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