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Another review after a change of blade.

Blade: Stiga Titanium Wood Peter
Rubbers: FH: Haifu BW2 BH: Xiom Vega Asian MAX

Review: I went back to my main weapon for the testing of Vega Asian. I find it suits Vega
more. There is more dwell time and even more control, almost too much.

Vega Asian is excellent at block. It gives the blocker a little more time by "holding" onto the ball longer and making solid contact. Although the ball would sit higher compares to Tenergy but the angle can be adjusted easily after the Tenergy user play just a few balls. Short game is average because aggresive flips are harder to execute with such soft sponge, while soft flips are piece of cake. The same is true with placement of pushes. It's easy to push but the control of the location needs a bit of practice with such a soft sponge. Compare to Tenergy it's better still.

Up to now the most troubling stroke with Vega Asian is the loop kill. While counter looping and control loops are easier to produce and to control than Tenergy, Vega Asian cannot be used to finish a point like Tenergy with a loop kill. This is the lacking of gears that I was talking about. For a forehand rubber this is absolutely the deal breaker for me because I prefer to loop kill to end point while I am close to the table. But Vega is just as good as Tenergy on Backhand where I can end points with a hit. Sometimes even a Waldner like punch is enough to win the point. Vega Asian is more than hold its own for a backhand rubber. Its soft sponge is vey good for hitting. (And the sound is pretty loud, a lot louder than Tenergy)

I think this review is pretty complete for now until I find out how durable it can be.
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Originally posted by thethinker thethinker wrote:

Another review after a change of blade.

Blade: Stiga Titanium Wood Peter
Rubbers: FH: Haifu BW2 BH: Xiom Vega Asian MAX

Review: I went back to my main weapon for the testing of Vega Asian. I find it suits Vega
more. There is more dwell time and even more control, almost too much.

Vega Asian is excellent at block. It gives the blocker a little more time by "holding" onto the ball longer and making solid contact. Although the ball would sit higher compares to Tenergy but the angle can be adjusted easily after the Tenergy user play just a few balls. Short game is average because aggresive flips are harder to execute with such soft sponge, while soft flips are piece of cake. The same is true with placement of pushes. It's easy to push but the control of the location needs a bit of practice with such a soft sponge.

Up to now the most troubling stroke with Vega Asian is the loop kill. While counter looping and control loops are easier to produce and to control than Tenergy, Vega Asian cannot be used to finish a point like Tenergy with a loop kill. This is the lacking of gears that I was talking about. For a forehand rubber this is absolutely the deal breaker for me because I prefer to loop kill to end point while I am close to the table. But Vega is just as good as Tenergy on Backhand where I can end points with a hit. Sometimes even a Waldner like punch is enough to win the point. Vega Asian is more than hold its own for a backhand rubber. Its soft sponge is vey good for hitting. (And the sound is pretty loud, a lot louder than Tenergy)

I think this review is pretty complete for now until I find out how durable it can be.
 
For what it's worth, I fully concur with your estimation. I'm not into tensors on my forehand (I use Chinese rubber), but I've been using Vega Asia on my backhand and, after some minor adjustments, I find it to be absolutely suitable for the task. I too noticed the louder sound. Personally, I really like it. Just out of curiosity, I'm going to toy around with Coppa Platin on my backhand for a bit; but so far, Vega Asia is more than adequate for a backhand rubber and I'll likely come back to it.
 
 
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any of the vega's good for rpb
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forehand rubber: sriver L max
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Anton, thanks for the backing up.

Zain, all of them (three versions of Vega) are good for rpb. There are no requirements for rpb. It all depends on what you like and dislike. You may not like a heavy rubber; then Vega is not for you. It's alomost as heavy as Tenergy. But then, you may like the control and sound of Vega.
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Could reviewers include level of reviewers?
Reviews of someone at similar level means more than reviews from players rated 400+ points higher or lower.
 
I decide to stick with Xiom Vega series. Can't beat its price/quality ratio!!!
I have Pro black 2.1 mm but looking for more control and better short game.
 
Anyone has Vega Asia BLACK 2.1 mm and want to trade for Vega pro 2.1 mm Black?
 
 
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You mean 2.2, right? I don't think Vega has 2.1. I'm using 2.0 of Pro and Asia. Main difference is that the Pro topsheet is firmer so if you like slightly softer feel, go with Asia. I think the Asia short game and control is not much different than the Pro. They weigh the same also. Probably you get better short game & control by going thinner to 2.0.
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Xiom Vega Asia has 2.0mm and max 2.2mm.  I'm using 2.0mm on BH now and it is a very good ruber, it feels softer than Pro, good control for short game and still have gear for long rally, loop and block.
 
 
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Hi All,
Ive been reading reviews of XIOM Vega rubber for a few days before purchasing it, and want to thank all reviewers.

Here is my short review if XIOM Vega Asia:

Little feedback I have been playing Table Tennis for many years, however I have not performed on ranked tournaments for few years. I play regularly in NY club. My current rating realistically would be around 2200. Im very offensive player and loop at every opportunity I get. That applies to both BH and FH. I primarily play close to table or Mid range (when counter looping)

I have been playing with Bryce FX (FH & BH) during gluing period, and switched to Tenergy 64 recently. Currently using Butterfly Timo Bol TRICarbon blade.
It took me quite a while to get used to Tenergy 64 Im not the person who tries different rubber often and I try to stick with particular rubber for at least a month before I can say anything about it.

The reason why I even decide to try other rubber was fact that I have never fully got used to Tenergy 64  on the backhand therefore was not quite happy with it. In addition I felt that my Tenergy have been worned off and needed to be replaced.

Why XIOM? Being butterfly customer since 80-es (Classic Sriver) I just heard glue like sound during practice of one of the club members. He had XIOM Omega 2 on TB 5000 blade. I have tried it for few minutes and was pleasantly surprised. So I decide it to give it a try.
After reading a little bit more about XIOM as a company and their line of products Ive came across Vega Pro which was using tensor sponge just like Tenergy so I decided to by one of each. To be honest attractive pricing black sponge were deciding factors for trying out VEGA/
So I bought OMEGA III Asia (but received Europe version which is not a big deal I think) and VEGA ASIA.

 

Since I was ok with Tenergy 64 on FH my plan was to try Omega III on the backhand, and since Vega was (judging by review similar to Tenergy) to try Vega on the FH.
So I glued placed VEGA Asia (RED) on FH and OMEGA III (BLACK) - BH
First feedback after about 30 minutes warm:
Close to the table drive/speed drive - FH Vega first couple of time went just over the net while hitting flat, added little bit of spin/angle and felt a lot more comfortable. Vega had adequate speed while driving. BH (Omerga III) very solid, good control and speed.

Tried chopping (dont usually do it while practicing) surprisingly OMEGA produced very high over the net chops, needed to adjusted slightly to bring it down. Not an issue both spinny enough, I felt like Vega is a little less spinier than Omega, and Tenergy 64.

FH Looping (Vega) nice arch good control, adequate speed (definitely slower than Tenergy 64)

BH Looping (Omega) Excellent control and speed.

Blocking both very solid Vega has very impressive control.

Counter looping both seem to be very comfortable in close to table to mid range more details to come

After playing a second match (opponent actual rating is about 2200 but perhaps he is not in his top shape I would rate him about 2100 right now) 3:1 win - excellent control on BH and FH.
Encountered first issue looping on the heavily chopped balls was little harder with Vega Asia lacked power, did not generate enough speed. However medium speed loops were very well controlled and confident, decent spin. Few perfect FH smashes with Vega.
No problem serving on receiving. BH(Omega) no issues, fast Loops, good control and speed.

 

My next game Semifinal was with very aggressive attacking close to the table player with killer FH loop.
I decided to switch BH and FH so I had Vega on the BH and Omega on the FH. (Ive done that during practice as well)

I was impressed with OMEGA on the FH speed and control are excellent loops are solid. Cant fully compare to Tenergy 64 just yet need more time.
But to my surprise Vega on the BH was amazing excellent control during receiving opponents serve. But most black was virtually flawless. I could return almost all loops from the BH, my BH loops were very solid and adequate in speed. Counter looping with Omega on FH was perfect good dwell time that gave me chance to adjust angle and excellent speed. Won 3:1

Played Final with #1 ranked player in our club about 2300 mid long range attacking player, very spinny loops from FH and BH.

In short lost 1:3 but had a very decent game.
I was able to not only to block almost all loops but managed to block aggressively on BH (Vega) which was really a good surprise.
Few excellent FH (OMEGA) counter looping points

 

Overview:
FH Vega Asia
Lacked speed while looping heavily chopped balls,

Counter looping not as fast as Tenergy 64. (that is Con for me)

Not as spinny as Tenergy 64 (Thats Pro for me)

BH Vega Asia

Amazing block control and excellent drive speed.
Looping good control, adequate speed  (actually not enough time to fully evaluate)

 

FH OMEGA III

Great speed and spin during looping first impression is excellent (need more time to fully compare to Tenergy 64 most importantly I need to tell if its as fast as Tenergy 64 if it is so I would definitely switch to it)

Decent control on serve return (As decent as it can get from such fast blade/rubber combo)

Blocking excellent. A lot more control compared to Tenergy 64
BH OMEGA III

Excellent looping speed and spin.


Overall Vega Asia did not work for me as replacement of Tenergy 64 due to lack of power on loops.
Omega III was better in that aspect. Will continue using this combination (FH Omega, BH Vega) for month or so.
As mentioned above VEGA Asia was impressive in blocking on the BH.
Again, pleasantly surprised with Omega III performance.

I may continue use this combination in the future but there is a chance I will go back to Tenergy 64 for the BH and OMEGA on the BH, I will try to keep you posted.

Please keep in mind that this review is based on my style of play and my personal impressions of these rubbers which I meant compare only to Tenergy 64 which was the latest rubber I have played with.

Thank you

 

 

P.S.
When I received XIOM rubber I was very impressed with packing and presentation. At least I was getting feeling that I have spent close to $100 on something well designed and valued by company that produces it.
In contrary Butterfly rubber that I have been buying for so many years still using same packing as Sriver I was buying in late 80-ies


 

 

 

 

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I've used Omega III eur and it didn't last long. Not good money for a fragile rubber too. Vega asian is fast enough if your blade is OFF- and up. I can't seem to find where you mentioned your blade, or did you?
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he mentioned it. Butterfly Timo Boll Tricarbon. Rated the fastest butterfly blade. My friend has this, can't say it's the fastest but fast enough.
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Thnaks addoydude. I have to conclude that Tricarbon is not a good match for Vega Asian that's all. I find it to be true with T5000, a stiff blade. Now that I use Stiga Titanium with Vega, it bring out the rubber more. Just try Vega on a softer or wooden blade.
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I never played Tri-Carbon before but I found the Vega Asia 2.0mm worked with medium hard and soft blade likes Hurricane King 655 and Kong Linghui Special.  My playing style is close to table agressive attacker and sometime at mid-range and I really like Xiom Vega Asia 2.0mm over Baracuda and Hexer for my BH.
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I've been using VEga Asia red max on my FH for two weeks.
I have not experienced any loss of speed or spin yet and I dont think I will because these rubbers don't seem to contain any kind of tuning. The rubbers that come in a vacuum bag have that.

Compared to Vega Euro it is a more effective rubber if you have advanced technique so that you can get the performance out.

As other members have previously posted, it is not a typical Chinese rubber as to hardness. Indeed, it can be best described as a Euro with a somewhat harder sponge.

It differs from the Euro in the strokes it requires and in this regard it is Chinese and good for a Chinese style game. You need to use your biceps more than with Euro and the movement of your arm needs to be more forward than upward. This way even very low balls can be hit onto the opponents side of the table with noticeably more speed than with the Euro. Spin is on a par with speed glued rubbers, just like the Euro.


Serving is not different form the other Vegas given that the topsheet is (almost) the same. Maybe the Asia topsheet is a little softer while the sponge is harder and it is the other way round with Euro.

Countertopspinning is very good, brush and powerloops are easy to do -if you use the right technique. It is very predictable once get used to it -unlike the Pro which I have been unable to learn to predict.


As I always say, if you are a Tenergy fan, I'm not sure you will like this as it requires better developed strokes, however, it is more effective.

Speedwise it is not much faster than Euro. It is the fact that it allows you more direct strokes that makes its user faster.


I like it better on my FH than my BH, where I would be unable to play with it.


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I  tried it yesterday,
it has amazing block with fast reaction and tension sound

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if someone could compare vega asia and eurpe with H3 neo 39 deg and  BW2 38 deg interested me which is faster and harder
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Originally posted by tomaca tomaca wrote:

if someone could compare vega asia and eurpe with H3 neo 39 deg and  BW2 38 deg interested me which is faster and harder


It depends on how well one's technique can exploit Chinese rubbers. In my experience, the top end of Whale II will be faster (and spinnier) than the Vegas, but most of the lower gears of the Vegas will be faster for your effort. The Vegas are Euro tensors, whereas Neo H3 and Whale II are not--they're hard, tacky Chinese rubbers. Neo H3 and Whale II are definitely harder, by quite a bit.

SIDE NOTE: For some people, the Chinese rubbers never get to demonstrate their full potential due to a lack of the requisite technique. For a long time I had the same problem; I didn't understand the appeal of hard, tacky Chinese rubbers. They felt dead no matter what I did... until I changed/refined my technique. Now they're all I use on my forehand. I don't know your skill level/experience so please forgive me if this is something you already know. But comparing Euro tensors to "traditional" Chinese rubbers is almost apples and oranges, IMO.


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That is my problem, I can  draw from Chinese rubber maximum why would  want to change but not for a very soft rubber.
I choose between Vega and tenergy
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where to buy xiom vega asia cheap?
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Originally posted by unagidon unagidon wrote:

where to buy xiom vega asia cheap?


http://tabletennisequipment.dandoy-sports.com/en/index.php
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I'm in the process of shopping, 've using Xiom Vega Asia and thinking of trying something else. any one has compared with Xiom Vega Asia against Xiom Vega Europe or Andro Ransant?  how about the durability?
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revisiting a very old thread about Xiom Vega Asia. I've recently bought one with Max sponge. I've already played with Xiom Vega Europe for almost an year so far. Once I get it on my setup, will compare it with Vega Euro and add my opinion here. 
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