HRT 2091 Clipper review

Dream1700 wrote: Assuming Stiga does not hold patents to the name "Clipper"

You can't patent a name!

Assuming Stiga does not hold patents to the name "Clipper" or blade's design there is nothing unethical about buying HRT Clipper, using it or posting reviews about it.

rocketman222 wrote: Matt Pimple wrote: rocketman222 wrote: Speaking of getting a clipper, its a much better bet to get a P700 or BT777 from Avalox, as the current Avalox blades are made using the same Stiga tech that was used in the 80s, this is the information i got from my friend Diego of Westside TTC who is the north american dealer for avalox. Of course, the Avalox dealer has a vested interest in that. LOL true, however i have played both clipper and bt777 and the bt777 is clearly a better product IMHO

I have bought a p700 and wasnt the same as the blade bought 6 years ago not even similar very dull maybe diego s batch are better but really I cant buy another clipper since they re getting worst every year even my carbo 7.6 feels like stiga OC slow and dull worst than hrt

really need to know what brand makes a blade that feels and plays like a quality clipper.

Your money, your choice.  I hope the rubber you bought to go with it turns out to be fake and plays like total crap. There would be justice in that.   People who buy from HRT promote proliferation of fake equipment.

I have bought a Samsonov Force Pro original and I really really like it.
Suits me better than a TSPW, better in block and more direct.
Bit harder too loop with but i'll adjust to that.

For the record Baal, I like the TSFP better than the HRT!!

Mog1111:  Thanks for your review. It was very insightful and helpful for a lot of people. Keep 'em coming

If I had known my review would cause so much trouble I would never have posted the damn thing!
Thought I was being helpful!!

Can everyone just chill out a bit now please?

With your title and so-called power, comes responsibility. You should act the part with some semblance of maturity and professionalism. Clearly, if you say you didn't sign up to be a role model, then resign.

But your attitude is indicative of who and what you are as a person - to want someone to die.

Totally uncalled for, irresponsible and unacceptable. 

Let's move on......

These will be my last words on HRT until the next thread where it comes up (hopefully far in the future).

Lots of companies make similar blades. For example, the Donic Ovtcharoc True Carbon is clearly similar to Btfly koto ALC blades (a point I have made many times) although someone at TTDaily proved that the outer koto layer is thinner on Donic blades than on Viscaria or ZJK-ALC. SLevin also thinks the ALC mesh is different (and it seems to have a slightly different color, although I'm not sure if that is a significant difference). Butterfly and DOnic do not manufacture the ALC, they buy it from companies that make the weaves (there is more than one) who in turn buy the Vectran (Arylate) from the manufacturer.  It is very possible that Donic and Btfly get their weaves from different places, with different carbon-ALC ratios, fiber thicknesses, etc.  That may be why those layers look different.  Actually, even if they get the weaves from the same company, there could be subtle differences.  If the composite layer is different, the blade is different, even if the feel when playing is essentially the same.

The Donic handle is definitely different in FL, although the ST handle is very similar to ZJK-ALC in terms of shape.  The DTC has German flag color scheme AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, DONIC DOESN'T CALL IT A VISCARIA!! Same with Tibhar, Xiom, and other companies that make koto ALC blades. 

Similarly, there are lots of blades inspired by Clipper that are not actual Clippers. There is some difference in the design.  DHS doesn't call their blades a Clipper!

This is all different from what HRT does.

In addition, there is no reason to believe Donic, Tibhar or Xiom is a source of fakes.  I am not convinced we can say that about HRT.

By the way, as for Stiga enforcing a patent in China (assuming they still hold one for Clipper), here is why that is unrealistic.

http://footwearnews.com/2016/business/retail/3-big-obstacles-counterfeiting-shoes-china-259833/

And the fact that they have no legal recourse does not mean that HRT are not doing something corrupt. 

*_strataras_* wrote: jonyer1980 wrote: *_strataras_* wrote: jonyer1980 pg9 isn't a clipper clone. Pg9 has koto outer ply, where clipper has limba, and not only this difference, also the core plies are different to each other. Mistyped i meant PG7. Friend Jonyer, again they are not the same blades. If you notice the 2 red plies of the clipper, are bigger than the red ones in pg7. And also the middle ply in clipper is thinner, where in Pg7 is a little thickier. You can also see the difference if you type in google pg7 and then clipper wood, the differences are obvious with naked eye. -Plus they are different in playing characteristics. I have used both of them a lot, and there were a lot of differences between them. I have mentioned again, that my pg7, bought from eacheng.net, was really fast for an OFF blade, for me was deffinately an OFF+, maybe not so fast in the OFF+ category, but an OFF+ for sure. On the other hand, clipper is a clear OFF blade.

I agree.

Snakefish, even though I am a moderator I also have the right of freedom of expresson and I will use it whenever anyone reviews a blade from the highly immoral and shameless HRT people. 

Mog has already bought the blade and might as well use it if he likes it.

I still hope people who want a Clipper will buy it from Stiga.

Baal wrote: Snakefish wrote: As a forum moderator, you shouldn't say this.  Please edit/delete your last sentence   It is close to a fake blade.  As somebody else said, HRT is very likely a source for an ocean of fake Stiga blades originating in China. (I feel free to say that because their respect for other people's creative endeavors is already obvious). So no, I will not edit or delete my last sentence.  At the same time, I have not closed or locked the thread, and people are free to buy this blade if they want it from HRT or from people here.  And if in the future people want to review HRT blades here they will be free to do so, even though my personal opinion is that people shouldn't give them the free press. All the same, every time I see someone reviewing one of their obviously and shamelessly copied blades, I will chime in with a plea to not do it because HRT is despicable and pathetic. In short Snakefish, if you find a lake somewhere, you know where to jump.

As a forum moderator:  I am glad you will allow people to review HRT blades (can you just imagine when they come out with rubbers ).

As a forum moderator:  it is a shame you will chime in whenever there is an HRT review with your personal opinion. 

Whatever happened to freedom of expression without suppression ?  No wonder some of my Canadian friends don't contribute to this forum anymore

As a forum moderator:  telling me to find a lake, and telling me where to jump.  And if I did and drowned ? 




Edited by Snakefish - 01/14/2017 at 6:19pm

*_strataras_* wrote: jonyer1980 pg9 isn't a clipper clone. Pg9 has koto outer ply, where clipper has limba, and not only this difference, also the core plies are different to each other.

Mistyped i meant PG7.

Edited by jonyer1980 - 01/14/2017 at 10:59am

jonyer1980 pg9 isn't a clipper clone. Pg9 has koto outer ply, where clipper has limba, and not only this difference, also the core plies are different to each other.

Mog1111 Are you sure it's an official, super duper- authentic -died in the wool- real chemist tested