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At the Nationals I asked a couple of high level players why the ended up in the bottom division.  In both cases their flight was late and the missed the first round.  With no wins in the first round, they automatically ended in the bottom group.
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Just did the math based on the entries.. It may be until the 3rd round robin until I will get to play someone close to my rating... Looks like the Tiered round robin is great for lower rated players as they get to play lots of higher rated players but it sucks for anyone above 2100 :-(
You need to redo your math again. Right now there are 292 entries in the tiered singles. For simplicity let’s say 8 more entries are received and all of them are lower rated then you. That will work out to 50 groups of 6 players. Now let’s just assume that all the A players win their RR groups. On to 2nd RR. 50 players in Group A, so let’s figure 10 groups of 5 players. You are the 21st player in the group (assuming no change when seeding ratings are used) of 50. That means you will be one of tbe players on the C line on which ever RR group you are in. Which would mean there would be 2 players with higher rating than you and 2 below you. So you will be playing higher rated players in 2nd RR before you get to the 3rd RR.
2 players per group advance to A division I believe. So, there will be 100 players in A. I may have 1 player close to my rating and 5 below.. So, my first 10 matches will be 90% against lower rated players.. 90%.. I like a 50/50 ratio between lower and higher rated players. 9 chances to get upset and 1 chance to upset.. Not a good ratio...
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Just did the math based on the entries.. It may be until the 3rd round robin until I will get to play someone close to my rating... Looks like the Tiered round robin is great for lower rated players as they get to play lots of higher rated players but it sucks for anyone above 2100 :-(
You need to redo your math again. Right now there are 292 entries in the tiered singles. For simplicity let’s say 8 more entries are received and all of them are lower rated then you. That will work out to 50 groups of 6 players. Now let’s just assume that all the A players win their RR groups. On to 2nd RR. 50 players in Group A, so let’s figure 10 groups of 5 players. You are the 21st player in the group (assuming no change when seeding ratings are used) of 50. That means you will be one of tbe players on the C line on which ever RR group you are in. Which would mean there would be 2 players with higher rating than you and 2 below you. So you will be playing higher rated players in 2nd RR before you get to the 3rd RR.
2 players per group advance to A division I believe. So, there will be 100 players in A. I may have 1 player close to my rating and 5 below.. So, my first 10 matches will be 90% against lower rated players.. 90%.. I like a 50/50 ratio between lower and higher rated players. 9 chances to get upset and 1 chance to upset.. Not a good ratio...
 Nope. There will be 6 groups after the first RR A, B, C, D, E , and F. The winners of each RR in the first RR go to A. 2nd place to B and  3rd to C all the way to group F for 6th place finisher in first RR. They are using the same format they have used in the previous Super tiered RR events. They are just adding a third RR before reaching the SE stage.
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Just did the math based on the entries.. It may be until the 3rd round robin until I will get to play someone close to my rating... Looks like the Tiered round robin is great for lower rated players as they get to play lots of higher rated players but it sucks for anyone above 2100 :-(
You need to redo your math again. Right now there are 292 entries in the tiered singles. For simplicity let’s say 8 more entries are received and all of them are lower rated then you. That will work out to 50 groups of 6 players. Now let’s just assume that all the A players win their RR groups. On to 2nd RR. 50 players in Group A, so let’s figure 10 groups of 5 players. You are the 21st player in the group (assuming no change when seeding ratings are used) of 50. That means you will be one of tbe players on the C line on which ever RR group you are in. Which would mean there would be 2 players with higher rating than you and 2 below you. So you will be playing higher rated players in 2nd RR before you get to the 3rd RR.
2 players per group advance to A division I believe. So, there will be 100 players in A. I may have 1 player close to my rating and 5 below.. So, my first 10 matches will be 90% against lower rated players.. 90%.. I like a 50/50 ratio between lower and higher rated players. 9 chances to get upset and 1 chance to upset.. Not a good ratio...
 Nope. There will be 6 groups after the first RR A, B, C, D, E , and F. The winners of each RR in the first RR go to A. 2nd place to B and  3rd to C all the way to group F for 6th place finisher in first RR. They are using the same format they have used in the previous Super tiered RR events. They are just adding a third RR before reaching the SE stage.
Ah, ok, this is better.. I was under the impression that 2 players advance to A but if only one advances, that will be better!
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Vince is correct.
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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

Vince is correct.
Can I quote you on that! Lol
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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

Vince is correct.

Great.. Good to know!
Thanks for the confirmation!
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I noticed Tin-Tin Ho (ENG) on the entry list (women's and u21 women) and look forward to watching her play. Her USATT is unrated (or 0) and world rank just outside of top 100. I wonder where she'll be seeded. I get the impression her style is super quick ferocious attacker - all business on the court, pleasant and all smiles off the court. Can she hang with the returning Japanese women who dominated last US Open?
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

I noticed Tin-Tin Ho (ENG) on the entry list (women's and u21 women) and look forward to watching her play. Her USATT is unrated (or 0) and world rank just outside of top 100. I wonder where she'll be seeded. I get the impression her style is super quick ferocious attacker - all business on the court, pleasant and all smiles off the court. Can she hang with the returning Japanese women who dominated last US Open?


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She is a sweetheart off the table and all business on it indeed.

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Anyone know if anything from the tournament will be live streamed?
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The format for this years Open with the one fee for everything $275. is probably the main reason for the low turnout. This forces all attendees to stay the whole week! I'm not sure but this is probably the lowest attendance since the 1960s.
I'll bet the Las Vegas Nationals will have a record attendance next summer. I sure hope this new format isn't used.


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Just my opinion, but the US Open prospectus should have mentioned the buffet at Cafe Gauguin to attract more players.




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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Just my opinion, but the US Open prospectus should have mentioned the buffet at Cafe Gauguin to attract more players.



An excellent point!

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Originally posted by danseemiller danseemiller wrote:

The format for this years Open with the one fee for everything $275. is probably the main reason for the low turnout. This forces all attendees to stay the whole week! I'm not sure but this is probably the lowest attendance since the 1960s.
I'll bet the Las Vegas Nationals will have a record attendance next summer. I sure hope this new format isn't used.



It's a good point actually - in a sense that in the past years you had some flexibility in how 'heavy' on matches (and the wallet) your US Open experience would be. Some might feel their choice was taken away. Not sure it is THE main reason, but probably contributed.
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Originally posted by danseemiller danseemiller wrote:

The format for this years Open with the one fee for everything $275. is probably the main reason for the low turnout. This forces all attendees to stay the whole week! I'm not sure but this is probably the lowest attendance since the 1960s.
I'll bet the Las Vegas Nationals will have a record attendance next summer. I sure hope this new format isn't used.


 
The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 
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The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 

So, why 2015 Vegas US Open was so special? 2016 and 2017 attendance dropped by 20+%, which is quite a lot and rather sudden. 
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by danseemiller danseemiller wrote:

The format for this years Open with the one fee for everything $275. is probably the main reason for the low turnout. This forces all attendees to stay the whole week! I'm not sure but this is probably the lowest attendance since the 1960s.
I'll bet the Las Vegas Nationals will have a record attendance next summer. I sure hope this new format isn't used.


 
The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 
The 2006 U.S. Open, with 455 entries, was in Charlotte, NC. We actually had over 1000 entries at the U.S. Open four times - in 2015 (as noted above), in 1990 (run in conjunction with the World Veterans and a Junior Championship, so a special case), and in 1974 and 1975 in Oklahoma City and Houston. I didn't start playing until 1976 so don't know the details about 1974 and 1975, or how they got so many, but I've been told sponsor Ron Shirley promoted it like crazy somehow.
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

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The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 

So, why 2015 Vegas US Open was so special? 2016 and 2017 attendance dropped by 20+%, which is quite a lot and rather sudden. 
I think (some what certain) that was the year the ITTF held the PARA Championships.
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1995 I believe was Anaheim, Ca..
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

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The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 

So, why 2015 Vegas US Open was so special? 2016 and 2017 attendance dropped by 20+%, which is quite a lot and rather sudden. 
I think (some what certain) that was the year the ITTF held the PARA Championships.

I think it was 2016 (I was there and remember seeing lots of para players). Unless I'm confused of course, and it was simply a Para US Open part. 
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1995 was my last Open as President of USA Table Tennis 1990-1995. We had some big sponsors.
Liu Guoliang was there. Liu beat Jim Butler 3-2 19 in the 5th in the semifinals.The Koreans and French team participated as well.
It was at the Anaheim Conv. Center
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U.S. Open web page still says:
"US Open Final Table Celebration to be confirmed"
and FAQ still says 
"The location has not yet been determined."
Do we know where it will be held?
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

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The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 

So, why 2015 Vegas US Open was so special? 2016 and 2017 attendance dropped by 20+%, which is quite a lot and rather sudden. 

Was 2016 the first year the US Open was flipped to December with the Nationals? That could be a significant factor.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

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The smallest turnout since 1994 for the US Open was in 2006 with 455 entries. 1998 had 524. 1995 had 580. I have no idea where the event was held. Danny probably knows the locations.So this years Open with 551 is the third lowest turnout in 24 years. 
Also the largest turnout since 1994 was 1064 in 2015 in Las Vegas. In fact the 4 biggest turnouts 1064, 914, 838, and 821 were all held in Vegas 2015, 2013, 2016, 2017. No other US Open since 1994 has more than 800. The next biggest was 785 in 1997. 

So, why 2015 Vegas US Open was so special? 2016 and 2017 attendance dropped by 20+%, which is quite a lot and rather sudden. 

Was 2016 the first year the US Open was flipped to December with the Nationals? That could be a significant factor.
You would be correct on the 2016 flip of the tournaments
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I wish it was a better turn out , but you have so many other events going on around the world . Im greatful that Gordon bought the open to Orlando . Turn out should not have any bearing if one wants to play, especially if you want to support USATt or table tennis , if cost is not an issue. I’m ready to enjoy myself, Pong for week , priceless!!!
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Can anyone explain why the professional Japanese players (and a few other players for that matter) are seeded with a rating of 0 in the round-robin groups?  Is this even remotely fair?

I realize that in the open the best player should be able to beat everyone put in front of them.  However to make the draws somewhat fair, can't estimated ratings be used? 

Also using ITTF points to seed everyone then USATT points is going to lead to some very unhappy people in the draws.  Perhaps this is the rule in an international ITTF event, but Liu Juan is probably slightly better than her 17th seed indicates...
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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

Can anyone explain why the professional Japanese players (and a few other players for that matter) are seeded with a rating of 0 in the round-robin groups?  Is this even remotely fair?

I have raised this issue numerous times. Again: At the 2017 US Open, my 2500-level friend ended up in the same RR group as the subsequent US Open winner. Kinda sucked for him having spent a lot of $$$ to travel to the Open, only to be eliminated in the group stage. This could be fixed pretty easily without resorting to any rating games: simply allow two people to advance from the RRs. 
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I think since it’s an ITTF event they have to seed by ITTF ranking first. But you would think they’d be smart enough to assign estimated ratings to any international players entered in these events.
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