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    Posted: 11/15/2018 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by Roni Roni wrote:

Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck?
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That would be nice.
VladCeller can do it, if he got the time.
My friend Mathew made the ratings system for the ITTF, I can ask him?
Can you ask your friends to pull some strings and get a next month's unofficial rankings page?  A common question that gets asked on this forum is what will so and so's ranking be when next month's rankings comes out.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by Roni Roni wrote:

Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck?
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That would be nice.
VladCeller can do it, if he got the time.
My friend Mathew made the ratings system for the ITTF, I can ask him?
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

People can't see the future ...They can only try to predict ...
 I would very much like to see the ITO Mima meeting with SUN Yingsha, Wang Manyu in the Grand Finals, and ideally with the CHENG Meng ....
 Was she able to play at the same level as in Sweden? ....
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They are there, just don't know how many Chinese players that Ito Mima will play against.
(Btw, only 2 European players will be there - on men's side.)


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People can't see the future ...They can only try to predict ...
 I would very much like to see the ITO Mima meeting with SUN Yingsha, Wang Manyu in the Grand Finals, and ideally with the CHENG Meng ....
 Was she able to play at the same level as in Sweden? ....
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Dima's ranking will be lower when December rankings come out:
13738 - 2250(Nov '17)  + 1260(Sweden QF) = 12748
This would put him at WR #9 (one place below WCT). And since he did not qualify for the Grand Finals, he will have a further drop when January rankings comes out.  Last year at the Grand Finals, he was runner-up (2295 points).

EDIT: From December to January his point total should be:
12748 - 2295(WTGF '17) + 1080(from reserves) = 11533
which would place him just below Mattias Falck (in Dec/Jan)

That may make sense.  In 2017 he looked like he was playing so sharp, he seemed like the best of the western players.  This year has been a different story.  He's still world elite, but just not the way he was.
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Dima's ranking will be lower when December rankings come out:
13738 - 2250(Nov '17)  + 1260(Sweden QF) = 12748
This would put him at WR #9 (one place below WCT). And since he did not qualify for the Grand Finals, he will have a further drop when January rankings comes out.  Last year at the Grand Finals, he was runner-up (2295 points).

EDIT: From December to January his point total should be:
12748 - 2295(WTGF '17) + 1080(from reserves) = 11533
which would place him just below Mattias Falck (in Dec/Jan)


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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by Roni Roni wrote:

Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck? 
Liang Jingkun
    5634 + 1260 (Sweden QF) + 2250 (Austrian Open winner) - 630 (Nov. 2017 pts) = 8514
    WR will depend on other players but based on current rankings he would be WR #38
Harimoto
    13725 + 1575 (Austrian QF) - 1440 (current low) = 13860
    Should be WR #5
Falck
    11353 + 1440 (Sweden SF) - 1080 (current low) = 11713
    WR will probably stay the same at 12 but closes the gap on Ma Long



Sorry ...Embarrassed I can only fully confirm these calculations ....Smile
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Originally posted by Roni Roni wrote:

Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck? 
Liang Jingkun
    5634 + 1260 (Sweden QF) + 2250 (Austrian Open winner) - 630 (Nov. 2017 pts) = 8514
    WR will depend on other players but based on current rankings he would be WR #38
Harimoto
    13725 + 1575 (Austrian QF) - 1440 (current low) = 13860
    Should be WR #5
Falck
    11353 + 1440 (Sweden SF) - 1080 (current low) = 11713
    WR will probably stay the same at 12 but closes the gap on Ma Long

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Originally posted by Roni Roni wrote:

Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck?
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That would be nice.
VladCeller can do it, if he got the time.


Edited by skip3119 - 11/12/2018 at 1:47pm
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You know what would be great?  It would be super nice for ITTF to have a link that when clicked goes to a next month's projected ranking page.  They already have all of the data so it's trivial for them to compute the rankings.  I hope someone at the ITTF is reading this.
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Man ranking calculation??

LJK, Harimoto,  Falck? 


Edited by Roni - 11/12/2018 at 1:17pm
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In calculating the rating for December 2018, CM has points deduction for 11/2017
2250 German Open 11/2017
The minimum eighth result is 1260 (1/2018, Hungarian Open)

Former rating С.M. -15014
Rating 12/2018:
15015+2250(Austria 11/2018 - 2250(German Open 11/2017) + (1440,Sweden 11/2018-1260,
1/2018, Hungarian Open) = 15014+(0)+(+180) = 15194

ISHIKAWA - former rating 15263
1800 deduction  (German Open 11/2017)
replacement from reserve -1785(12/2017,Grand-Final) = (-15)
December rating  - 15263 -15 = 15248
 




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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

CM just won Austrian Open (a world tour premium) while Ishikawa lost much earlier.
Why Ishikawa will still be above CM in terms of Ranking Points?

It's an accumulation of points for the trailing 12 months, but CM is closing in fast.  

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CM just won Austrian Open (a world tour premium) while Ishikawa lost much earlier.
Why Ishikawa will still be above CM in terms of Ranking Points?

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Chen Meng's world ranking will rise from #4 to #3, passing Ishikawa, when next ranking update coming out in early December from ITTF.  (Ishikawa currently is ranked World #3, and CM is #4.)


December 2018 rating list ..WS...(approximately!)

Z.Y.L.                16224
D.N.                  15939
ISHIKAWA         15248
C.M.                  15194
WANG M.           14880
L.S.W.               14589
ITO Mima           14135
...
nr.10-F.T.           12835
...
nr.12-C.X.T.        11940

 ISHIKAVA and С.M. got the right to take part in the Grand Final, in singles ....

 But in the ranking for January 2019 С.M., the points scored at last year's Grand Final,12/2017, (2550) will be replaced by those she receives at this Grand Final,12/2018 ....
 Even winning this Grand Final, С.M. add to his rating a maximum of 0 points ....Rating points will remain the same ....
   ISHIKAVA will at least retain its points, it has no deductions for December 2017 ...

 



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Chen Meng's world ranking will rise from #4 to #3, passing Ishikawa, when next ranking update coming out in early December from ITTF.  (Ishikawa currently is ranked World #3, and CM is #4.)
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by fortunateluck fortunateluck wrote:

Congrats to Liang Jingkun and Chen Meng for rising through the competition of super players and coming out on top.

LJK breaking FZD's dominance is a breath of fresh air. Only goes to show that you can never be complacent. Pushing through to take down XX is only a confirmation of a new power force in the making. I look forward to more of his advanced level of performance.

CM so convincingly outperforming WMY, who has been a dominating player for some time, shows that she's capable of being the very best. List of the other top Chinese players she had to overcome to get to the final is also very impressive: ZYL, LSW and CXT, all of whom have had a win against her in the past.

One thing is for sure; table tennis landscape is always changing. Who knows what the future will bring? Super hero performance is such a difficult feat to achieve. Didn't they say that even the monkey can fall from a tree?



Only a matter of time before LJK becomes top 10. In this tournament, he took out WR#1,2,9 and 10. Besides the obvious power, he plays very aggressively, but controlled, and showed good touch. This must have been a huge confidence boost for him. That mental block of not winning an international tournament is now gone.

I was pleasantly surprised at how quick, but controlled CM's bh was today. Did not expect her to blank WMY. This will be an interesting competition for the 2nd Olympic spot for CNT womens singles.


If you look back at his results, who he has beaten and who he has lost to, it's almost ridiculous he is not already top 10.
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Was pleasantly surprised at Liang Jingkun, I've always thought he had the potential to make it big but he always underperformed his true level (not sure if it's experience or mental) because he was a monster in the Chinese superleague who has beaten pretty much everyone. This could be the big break that he needs to up his confidence level. Next year's WTTC will be very interesting indeed! Will he be ZJK no.2 and go all the way starting from a dark horse position?!
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Was pleasantly surprised at Liang Jingkun, I've always thought he had the potential to make it big but he always underperformed his true level (not sure if it's experience or mental) because he was a monster in the Chinese superleague who has beaten pretty much everyone. This could be the big break that he needs to up his confidence level. Next year's WTTC will be very interesting indeed! Will he be ZJK no.2 and go all the way starting from a dark horse position?!


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Originally posted by fortunateluck fortunateluck wrote:

Congrats to Liang Jingkun and Chen Meng for rising through the competition of super players and coming out on top.

LJK breaking FZD's dominance is a breath of fresh air. Only goes to show that you can never be complacent. Pushing through to take down XX is only a confirmation of a new power force in the making. I look forward to more of his advanced level of performance.

CM so convincingly outperforming WMY, who has been a dominating player for some time, shows that she's capable of being the very best. List of the other top Chinese players she had to overcome to get to the final is also very impressive: ZYL, LSW and CXT, all of whom have had a win against her in the past.

One thing is for sure; table tennis landscape is always changing. Who knows what the future will bring? Super hero performance is such a difficult feat to achieve. Didn't they say that even the monkey can fall from a tree?



Only a matter of time before LJK becomes top 10. In this tournament, he took out WR#1,2,9 and 10. Besides the obvious power, he plays very aggressively, but controlled, and showed good touch. This must have been a huge confidence boost for him. That mental block of not winning an international tournament is now gone.

I was pleasantly surprised at how quick, but controlled CM's bh was today. Did not expect her to blank WMY. This will be an interesting competition for the 2nd Olympic spot for CNT womens singles.
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Congrats to Liang Jingkun and Chen Meng for rising through the competition of super players and coming out on top.

LJK breaking FZD's dominance is a breath of fresh air. Only goes to show that you can never be complacent. Pushing through to take down XX is only a confirmation of a new power force in the making. I look forward to more of his advanced level of performance.

CM so convincingly outperforming WMY, who has been a dominating player for some time, shows that she's capable of being the very best. List of the other top Chinese players she had to overcome to get to the final is also very impressive: ZYL, LSW and CXT, all of whom have had a win against her in the past.

One thing is for sure; table tennis landscape is always changing. Who knows what the future will bring? Super hero performance is such a difficult feat to achieve. Didn't they say that even the monkey can fall from a tree?



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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

I think many people do not like Harimoto's scream because he screams like he has an organism or like he is high on drug. 

Most people scream, but just like a human scream for pump up. For that kind of Harimoto scream, it is cute and fine if he is still 10 years old, but will he scream like that when he is 20 or 30 years old?

A child will be called cute even if he is playing with dog shit, but certainly not when he is 15 years old.


There are many for reason but not ñile you that you are a wct hater and even spend time to make stats of his loses

Harimoto has not done anything wrong.
keep up your bitching, it is very entertaining.



There are many for reason for be hated but you re the only wct hater in the world and even spend time to make stats of his loses


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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

IMO hiding ones serve with head or shoulder is a bigger sin than screaming

The ittf rulebook also does not say screaming is prohibited. Harimoto haters' bitchings simply should be ignored.


Well, the ITTF rulebook doesn't say touching your own private after each point is prohibited, either. In baseball, some pitchers always do that after each pitch. That might be one of the reasons why the catchers always wear gloves. Wink


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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

IMO hiding ones serve with head or shoulder is a bigger sin than screaming

The ittf rulebook also does not say screaming is prohibited. Harimoto haters' bitchings simply should be ignored.


Well, the ITTF rulebook doesn't say touching your own private after each point is prohibited, either. In baseball, some pitchers always do that after each pitch. That might be one of the reasons why the catchers always wear gloves. Wink

Well said. What is against the rules and what is decent are not the same. With that being said, I don't think HT is a terrible person but for sure not someone I would idolize.


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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

IMO hiding ones serve with head or shoulder is a bigger sin than screaming

The ittf rulebook also does not say screaming is prohibited. Harimoto haters' bitchings simply should be ignored.


Well, the ITTF rulebook doesn't say touching your own private after each point is prohibited, either. In baseball, some pitchers always do that after each pitch. That might be one of the reasons why the catchers always wear gloves. Wink
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Well, my policy is not to respond to people talking ( and thinking) like a 10 years old when he might be 20 or 50 years old, but just for once. 
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