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    Posted: 12/08/2019 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

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The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.

Do they have relegation in the first division?

Yes, but it depends on the situation - if there aren't enough clubs interested in playing in the first division (as has happened quite a bit in recent years, for financial reasons mostly), then even the last-place team can stay in the league. But this season it seems that 1 or 2 teams might indeed get relegated.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.

Do they have relegation in the first division?
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The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.
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Pretty good debut for Amy Wang - after a 2-3 loss to de Nutte (world #72) she beats Eerland (world #47) 3-1. Her team loses 4-6 though.

Kolbermoor (with Lily Zhang) win 6-2 and are at the top of the standings.

Kanak Jha was scheduled to play Daniel Habesohn but it didn't come to that as Grenzau lost 0-3. 

So that's 3 American players now in the top German league. Also, Crystal Wang is registered with Schwabhausen (Sabine Winter's team) but hasn't played yet.


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Today Amy Wang is making her debut in the German first division for TTG Bingen (where she replaces Lily Zhang). She'll face Sarah de Nutte and Britta Eerland.

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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Any recorded videos of him playing?

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Any recorded videos of him playing?
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Another match today - round of 16 of the German Cup. Grenzau lost 2-3 against Saarbrücken and were eliminated.

E1-2Kanak JHATomas POLANSKY11:1311:611:97:1111:53:21:0
E2-1Mihai BOBOCICAPatrick FRANZISKA11:79:113:1111:711:53:21:0
E3-3Anders LINDDarko JORGIC6:118:117:11-:--:-0:30:1
E1-1Kanak JHAPatrick FRANZISKA9:113:1111:69:11-:-1:30:1
D-DLIND / BOBOCICAJORGIC / POLANSKY12:107:115:114:11-:-1:30:1


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He was thoroughly outplayed in first two games, but he hung in there tightened up some things and won.
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Grenzau lost again (2-3 against Düsseldorf), but Kanak got his first win in the first division:

E3-3Kanak JHAAnton KÄLLBERG6:114:1111:711:811:73:2
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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

I think when I said "Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA" is enough detail to figure out what I am talking about. 

ok thanks for the info.


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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Round 3:
Ochsenhausen beat Grenzau 3-1.

In the first match, Kanak Jha lost to Hugo Calderano (10, 9, 9).

Video:
There is so much of today's Kanak in that score, breathing in the best necks and ready to bite for good. The 0-3 loss carries a lot of hope in the details.
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I think when I said "Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA" is enough detail to figure out what I am talking about. 
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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

A player has to be really careful where they go to train overseas.  When I went to China, I was forced to train with people who basically had never played before and it was immensely depressing.  I was paying money to basically teach them how to play.  Another player I know was only around 2400 and beat everyone at his training facility and thought his trip was a waste of time.  However if you are willing to spend a lot of money with a high profile province team, you will play with good players.  It will be very expensive though.

Germany and Sweden are no better unfortunately.  Things are very hit or miss.  Players have to be extremely careful where they go to train. Some places aren't even safe for the players with extremely shady things going on.  Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA. 


Can you be more specific about these extremely shady things?
It's hard for me to imagine what you are talking about.
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Round 3:
Ochsenhausen beat Grenzau 3-1.

In the first match, Kanak Jha lost to Hugo Calderano (10, 9, 9).

Video:


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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

A player has to be really careful where they go to train overseas.  When I went to China, I was forced to train with people who basically had never played before and it was immensely depressing.  I was paying money to basically teach them how to play.  Another player I know was only around 2400 and beat everyone at his training facility and thought his trip was a waste of time.  However if you are willing to spend a lot of money with a high profile province team, you will play with good players.  It will be very expensive though.

Germany and Sweden are no better unfortunately.  Things are very hit or miss.  Players have to be extremely careful where they go to train. Some places aren't even safe for the players with extremely shady things going on.  Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA. 

Having coached a considerable amount of time internationally and having been involved in various table tennis venues around the world (both training and competitive), coupled with the many discussions with players and coaches on this matter, I strongly support your excellent summary of the overseas training environments as you so eloquently expressed it.

For almost all USA players seeking the attainment of national-level (and beyond) playing ability, my view today is that the best and most trustworthy environments for such rigorous development are in the full-time centers in the U.S., with the acknowledgement that the quality within these centers varies by significant degrees, both in coaching and culture, for the purpose at hand.  In the accepted context of these centers functioning as profit-requiring enterprises, the ingredients are nevertheless present to create player capabilities within the junior ranks equivalent to those from the European systems.  At some point in this developmental track, the U.S. competition dimension becomes inferior, thus requiring, for those of such interest, to seek other environments far advanced in match opportunities.  With the systems of China, Japan, and Korea functioning as closed systems in the practical sense of the term, it is Europe that is the golden land for U.S. juniors of high aspiration.  Essentially, Kanak has demonstrated the best model to optimize the prospects for the most ambitious of the U.S. juniors.

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Hi guys, 

First I want to apologise for mistakes in this post, I'm not a native speaker so it might get a little tough to read for you. 

I am from Germany and have played for SV Union Velbert for some years and can share some information with you.

In general players are paid to join a club and play in the league. The amount of money depends on your skill at the table and how good you sell yourself. Some get paid more of they win more games Wink

In the 1. Bundesliga there are mostly professional athletes, some of them have a second job in the coaching staff or at the club. You can make a living from it, but you need supporters.you won't get rich by playing table tennis. 
If you are Top 5 of your league like Timo Bill or Matthias Falck you will make a decent living from your payment. 

From second Bundesliga to thrid bundesliga there are some players who can live just from playing, but most of players need a part time Job or some other stuff to earn money. 

News about the payment of players aren't available and won't be published - that's a German thing. You don't take alot about money LOL

But of course the club's will find a way to get you a nice place to sleep, cover your Meals and Equipment. If you have to fly in for games, this will  normally be paid by the club.

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A player has to be really careful where they go to train overseas.  When I went to China, I was forced to train with people who basically had never played before and it was immensely depressing.  I was paying money to basically teach them how to play.  Another player I know was only around 2400 and beat everyone at his training facility and thought his trip was a waste of time.  However if you are willing to spend a lot of money with a high profile province team, you will play with good players.  It will be very expensive though.

Germany and Sweden are no better unfortunately.  Things are very hit or miss.  Players have to be extremely careful where they go to train. Some places aren't even safe for the players with extremely shady things going on.  Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA. 
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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

I heard in some other cases, USATT just gave invitation. Eventually parents need to pay huge money to support their kids. Hope what benefit or what support for national players is clear to public. If there is support and player don't want to go, can they go to Japan or China to train in league? 


Players I know well who went that route have told me that they felt that they got better training in Europe (Germany and Sweden) than in China because the coaches actually spent more time with them.  An advantage of China is (or used to be) that living expenses are a lot lower but once you are there, you may well be ignored.  This information is several years old, though.  I don't know anyone who has gone to China to train more recently.  Maybe some places there are better now, although I would tend to doubt it.  I actually haven't heard of Americans going to Japan to train. 

At the end of the day, what Jha is doing will yield largest TT benefits because he is forced to compete every week for real money against players mostly better than he is.  He will have to get better.  And he will.  But maybe not many US prospects are as good as he is or as motivated to be great in TT (as opposed to using TT excellence as a venue for entry to top universities, which will set them up for life -- a strategy I find perfectly reasonable).
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I heard in some other cases, USATT just gave invitation. Eventually parents need to pay huge money to support their kids. Hope what benefit or what support for national players is clear to public. If there is support and player don't want to go, can they go to Japan or China to train in league? 

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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

I am curious who paid their money to play in Europe League? Is it free for those players? Did their parents pay?

I assume at least some basic expenses will be covered even at lower levels but what if it is not  ? 
Should anyone in their right minds pass up playing in the famed Bundesliga unless I am missing something here  ?
It is like a white guy saying : Umm I will pass up playing in the NBA (even if one year on the bench)......I can't wait one year to go to community college and major in English 


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I am curious who paid their money to play in Europe League? Is it free for those players? Did their parents or USATT pay? Funding is the most important question. A lot of talent youth in USA needs financial support.

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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

USATT's HPD Joerg Bitzigeio hooking up USA players with European teams for league play :

Women's League:
- Wu Yue KTS Tarnobrzeg (POL) (1st Division + European Champions League)
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 Lily Zhang SV DJK Kolbermoor (1st Division)
Amy Wang TTG Bingen/Münster-Sarms. (1st Division)
Rachel Sung TTC 1945 Weinheim (2nd Division)
Joanna Sung TTC 1946 Weinheim (4th Division)
Crystal Wang TSV Schwabhausen (1st Division)
Swathi Giri SV DJK Kolbermoor (3rd Division)
Angie Tan TSG Kaiserslautern (4th Division)
Emily Tan TSG Kaiserslautern (4th Division)

Men's League:
Kanak Jha TTC Zugbrücke Grenzau (1st Division)
Kai Zhang TTC GW Bad Hamm (2nd Division)
Nicholas Tio TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Michael Tran SV Union Velbert (3rd Division)
Nikhil Kumar 1. FSV Mainz 05 (2nd Division)
Victor Liu TSG Kaiserslautern (3rd Division)
Sharon Alguetti TSG Kaiserslautern (3rd Division)
Adar Alguetti TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Gal Alguetti TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Ted Li SV Union Velbert (4th Division)
Kai Zarehbin Spvgg.06/95 Duisburg-Meiderich (6th Division)
Aziz Zarehbin Spvgg.06/95 Duisburg-Meiderich(6th Division)
Alex Wu 1. FSV Mainz 05 (4th Division)
Daniel Tran SV Union Velbert (6th Division)


WTF ?  Why is everyone complaining about Joerg ? He may not be perfect or whatever but when is the last time this many Americans got to play in the famous German Leagues . They will cherish this experience for the rest of their lives


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In his second match of the season, Kanak Jha lost to Paul Drinkhall 2:3 (6, -8, -7, 4, -5). He's scheduled to play Benedikt Duda next, but it may not come to that.
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Don't know the answer to that.  Perhaps our German forum members might know?

BTW, Kanak's team is mostly very young:

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how much do they make playing for dif divisions?
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USATT's HPD Joerg Bitzigeio hooking up USA players with European teams for league play :

Women's League:
- Wu Yue KTS Tarnobrzeg (POL) (1st Division + European Champions League)
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 Lily Zhang SV DJK Kolbermoor (1st Division)
Amy Wang TTG Bingen/Münster-Sarms. (1st Division)
Rachel Sung TTC 1945 Weinheim (2nd Division)
Joanna Sung TTC 1946 Weinheim (4th Division)
Crystal Wang TSV Schwabhausen (1st Division)
Swathi Giri SV DJK Kolbermoor (3rd Division)
Angie Tan TSG Kaiserslautern (4th Division)
Emily Tan TSG Kaiserslautern (4th Division)

Men's League:
Kanak Jha TTC Zugbrücke Grenzau (1st Division)
Kai Zhang TTC GW Bad Hamm (2nd Division)
Nicholas Tio TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Michael Tran SV Union Velbert (3rd Division)
Nikhil Kumar 1. FSV Mainz 05 (2nd Division)
Victor Liu TSG Kaiserslautern (3rd Division)
Sharon Alguetti TSG Kaiserslautern (3rd Division)
Adar Alguetti TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Gal Alguetti TTC Ruhrstadt Herne (3rd Division)
Ted Li SV Union Velbert (4th Division)
Kai Zarehbin Spvgg.06/95 Duisburg-Meiderich (6th Division)
Aziz Zarehbin Spvgg.06/95 Duisburg-Meiderich(6th Division)
Alex Wu 1. FSV Mainz 05 (4th Division)
Daniel Tran SV Union Velbert (6th Division)

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Today was the season premiere in the TTBL:

Grenzau didn't win a game. Kanak Jha lost the second match against Kilian Ort (11, 5, 7).
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

That is awesome news for Khanak and he richly deserves it.

Another intersting tidbit there is that Nicholas Tio will also be in Grenzau, although presumably not in the Bundesliga and they are going to have one more US player based there.  Having three US players in the same organization is really going to be good for US table tennis and make it easier for them to be based abroad.

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I thought Tio was already living at Grenzau the city (very confusing... :) ), but was competing for different club - from May 2018 USATT article:

In a pivotal move to enhance the international competitiveness of US National Team players, USATT High Performance Director Joerg Bitzigeio has arranged for top national team contenders to compete in European leagues next season. Aside from Kanak Jha, who is already living in Grenzau and will move up to represent 1.FSV Mainz 05 in the 2nd Bundesliga (2nd division) next season, Nick Tio and Jennifer (Yue) Wu will also move to Europe to live, train and compete in the league. 

Tio will join Kanak in Grenzau, whilst competing in 3rd Division North for TTC Lampertheim, while Wu will join the prestigious Froschberg Linz in the first Division of the Austrian League. 

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I guess he (Nicholas) might be moving as well.

the granzau club is where they train and live 
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Congratulations to Kanak Jha!  Enjoy following his matches and career, happy for his efforts and results.
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