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What's the general consensus on the rumour mill in US and worldwide table tennis about his not being present for three doping checks? Missing one or two, sure that can happen. But three? Just a bit suspicious if you ask me. And I didn't get a sense that he made much of an effort to clear his name after getting banned but maybe I just missed his press statements.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

What's the general consensus on the rumour mill in US and worldwide table tennis about his not being present for three doping checks? Missing one or two, sure that can happen. But three? Just a bit suspicious if you ask me. And I didn't get a sense that he made much of an effort to clear his name after getting banned but maybe I just missed his press statements.

I believe the original ban was 2 years and he got it reduced to one with his appeal/hearing.  I am not tapped into the rumor mill, I just read the documents of the hearing.  I agree that the whole thing is suspicious, the bottom line will be whether he can retain/regain his former level and continue to pass tests going forward.

There is nothing to clear in the traditional sense of clearing his name (he didn't test positive for anything), and claiming that he is clearing his name will just make things worse from a PR perspective.  He just argued there was a logic to his missing the tests that exonerated him and the hearing arbiters didn't agree.


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Interesting you mentioned about 'whether he can continue to pass tests going forward'. I've long wondered if there aren't a whole host of substances that can help a professional table tennis player train and player better. There must be stuff out there that helps with strength, focus, nerves, etc. 

I know that if I were a player of a certain level I would be willing to try pretty much anything for almost any price if there was a decent chance it might help me keep improving and playing as well in competition as I did in practice. 
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PingPongPom has a podcast with Kanak in the making no doubt Tongue

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Bitzeglio said on the Adamcast that Jha won't be eligible to compete until March 15.  Dates of the US Olympic Trials have not been announced yet.  He wasn't sure if Jha would be able to compete in it.
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And here's the explanation for that surprising extension:

Despite being provisionally suspended, Jha participated in an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022, which is against the rules for athletes who are provisionally suspended.

Because he violated his provisional suspension, USADA determined that Jha could not receive credit for the time he spent provisionally suspended.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

And here's the explanation for that surprising extension:

Despite being provisionally suspended, Jha participated in an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022, which is against the rules for athletes who are provisionally suspended.

Because he violated his provisional suspension, USADA determined that Jha could not receive credit for the time he spent provisionally suspended.
"an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022"

what was that?
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

"an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022"

what was that?

Maybe some training camp in California, pre-US Open? Bitzi would know of course but didn't tell Adam (who did look shocked, rightly so). The full USADA document will perhaps explain but isn't available yet.

This will probably also annul Jha's move to Bergneustadt, because the club urgently needed him in January and not in mid-March when the season is almost over. 
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At this point it seems there is somewhere a dark intent to break him and his career. Taking away not only his 2024 salary but also his participation to the Olympics when he is the best US representative is not enough to feed any conspiracy theory but we are getting dagerously close to it.

This last evolution is an exaggeration and even if by contract those professional athletes often need to go through arbitration to resolve disputes, there are instances where the courts can get involved and I hope the family has room to go to war.

The sad part is he needs to play NOW and time is of essence, this is so f**ked up!

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Maybe Kanak likes 🚲  and will go to Texas and ask local champs counsel; some over there know a thing or 2 about how to deal with USADA. HEY! he could even get get help putting together a lethal legal team. 

I really feels like USADA don't really care about sports and act only to justify their bureaucratic existence, remember Barney Reed and the ridiculous marijuana case that wasted so much of his playing time?


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I don't know what to make of Bitzigeio's attitude in the Adamcast (thanks to talltimber for mentioning it, I would have missed it). He was surprisingly nonchalant, almost cheerful, as if he was delivering good news - "sure, it's another three and a half months of suspension that we didn't expect, but he's preparing to come back stronger than ever etc." So it doesn't sound like anyone's going to court over this latest twist. His new German club also said something to the effect that they didn't understand why USATT isn't fighting more on Jha's behalf, after all they could use him in the world championships in February.

PS - here's the Bitzigeio scoop, at hour 7 on Day 1 of Adam Bobrow's MLTT streamathon:


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Another 3 1/2 months? Probably was an event at the 888 Center that Bitzigeio works at.
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Kanak is a 4 time winner of the Nationals. He hasn't played in the last couple that he was eligible.
 Bitzigeio won a $200,000 award from USATT in arbitration after he was let go and ever since then,  Kanak and the USATT are not on the same page.
To me, Kanak not participating in the  U.S. nationals or U.S. Open makes no sense. Why would America's best player not participate? The USATT gave him a free pass at the last Olympics, Pan Am games etc.....
 
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

"an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022"

what was that?

An exhibition at PingPod
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Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

"an activity organized by a member organization of USA Table Tennis on December 14, 2022"

what was that?

An exhibition at PingPod

These rules are incredibly strict.  I get it but it is a bit much, no wonder we don't see him anywhere anymore.  It is curious that no one is fighting this ruling though, it is fairly ridiculous to me.


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  1. 77. By letter of December 1, 2022, USADA imposed a provisional suspension on Respondent, immediately barring him from:

    participating in any Competition or activity (e.g., as an athlete, official, race director) under the jurisdiction of ITTF, USA Table Tennis, and the USOPC, or any clubs, member associations or affiliates of these entities, or other Signatories of the Code, until your case is deemed not to be an anti-doping rule violation, you accept a sanction, you fail to contest this matter, or a hearing has been held and a decision has been reached in this matter.

    https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Kanak-Jha-AAA-Award.pdf



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I would not have guessed that PingPod was a USATT affiliated club, but they are listed on the USATT website.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

  1. 77. By letter of December 1, 2022, USADA imposed a provisional suspension on Respondent, immediately barring him from:

    participating in any Competition or activity (e.g., as an athlete, official, race director) under the jurisdiction of ITTF, USA Table Tennis, and the USOPC, or any clubs, member associations or affiliates of these entities, or other Signatories of the Code, until your case is deemed not to be an anti-doping rule violation, you accept a sanction, you fail to contest this matter, or a hearing has been held and a decision has been reached in this matter.

    https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Kanak-Jha-AAA-Award.pdf


It's an exhibition, definitely not an activity under any jurisdiction other than location as far as I can tell. But there will probably be examples of banned and not-banned activities listed somewhere.  And those if provided are more important than my personal judgment.
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I would not have guessed that PingPod was a USATT affiliated club, but they are listed on the USATT website.

One difference from most other clubs is that they’re distributed across multiple smaller locations (each with 1-5 tables), which works better in urban areas.
They do have USATT-rated league events and kids tournaments, with very limited number of spots available, which almost always fill up.

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Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I would not have guessed that PingPod was a USATT affiliated club, but they are listed on the USATT website.

One difference from most other clubs is that they’re distributed across multiple smaller locations (each with 1-5 tables), which works better in urban areas.
They do have USATT-rated league events and kids tournaments, with very limited number of spots available, which almost always fill up.



Yeah, we don't have any in my area so I am unfamiliar with them. I thought of them as table tennis space for rent.
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I tend to think USADA association exists to protect the health of American athletes and insure a leveled playing field in the business of sports, which ever comes 1st in their mind; but in this case, they not only take down an athlete but also the sport itself, shooting themselves in the foot in the way and losing some legitimacy.



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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I tend to think USADA association exists to protect the health of American athletes and insure a leveled playing field in the business of sports, which ever comes 1st in their mind; but in this case, they not only take down an athlete but also the sport itself, shooting themselves in the foot in the way and losing some legitimacy.


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Kanak missed 3 tests and was suspended for one year.  After missing one test he should have been on high alert. 
Then he does an event at a USATT club that is clearly laid out in the suspension that he is not allowed to do. Just mind boggling what he has done to his career.
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Originally posted by Twiddler Twiddler wrote:

Kanak missed 3 tests and was suspended for one year.  After missing one test he should have been on high alert. 
Then he does an event at a USATT club that is clearly laid out in the suspension that he is not allowed to do. Just mind boggling what he has done to his career.

I can dispute the clarity, but even if accepted, it still doesn't mean there shouldn't be some attempt fo negotiate on his behalf by the USATT.  But I like you still find the 3 missed tests extremely damning.
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