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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

Some more information about Victor vs Nick:

https://victorliufightagainstusatt.blogspot.com/2019/05/?m=0

This is very poorly written. Also, it presents selective facts to make Tio look bad (a loss to Tahl Leibovitz!), while leaving out essential information. For example in this final comparison:

"The US National Coach Stefan Feth was the Men's Team Coach for all above WTTC. The 2016 and 2018 WTTC were Teams Competition only. Victor played five matches while Nicholas played zero. What does that tell you?"

Well, it tells me that in 2016 USA played in Division 3, whereas in 2018 they played in Division 2 against much stronger opponents. Liu's wins in 2016 came against powerhouses such as Lithuania, Congo, Algeria, and Cyprus. Would he have been selected to play in crucial matches in 2018, rather than Feng Yijun, Kanak Jha, and Nikhil Kumar?
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

Some more information about Victor vs Nick:

https://victorliufightagainstusatt.blogspot.com/2019/05/?m=0

This is very poorly written. Also, it presents selective facts to make Tio look bad (a loss to Tahl Leibovitz!), while leaving out essential information. For example in this final comparison:

"The US National Coach Stefan Feth was the Men's Team Coach for all above WTTC. The 2016 and 2018 WTTC were Teams Competition only. Victor played five matches while Nicholas played zero. What does that tell you?"

Well, it tells me that in 2016 USA played in Division 3, whereas in 2018 they played in Division 2 against much stronger opponents. Liu's wins in 2016 came against powerhouses such as Lithuania, Congo, Algeria, and Cyprus. Would he have been selected to play in crucial matches in 2018, rather than Feng Yijun, Kanak Jha, and Nikhil Kumar?


If you actually check the record, which I just did (not sure why), you will see he actually beat Tahl.  In general, what surprises me repeatedly is how convinced people who are pro-trials are of their position that they often can't just state the facts dispassionately and end up lying.  The blog loses credibility when that kind of stuff is exposed.

He lost close matches to Jeremy Hazin and Michael Tran.

I am highly sympathetic to Victor's case as he is the poster boy for why this process needs to be very clear, but I wonder why people can't state facts dispassionately and properly.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He lost close matches to Jeremy Hazin and Michael Tran.


Victor Liu himself lost to Michael Tran in June 2018, at the Canadian Junior Open.

His coach is using the dispute to raise funds for his club ($50,000 goal):
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He lost close matches to Jeremy Hazin and Michael Tran.


Victor Liu himself lost to Michael Tran in June 2018, at the Canadian Junior Open.

His coach is using the dispute to raise funds for his club ($50,000 goal):

It's interesting that the coach is raising for the coach's club, not for Victor.  
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He lost close matches to Jeremy Hazin and Michael Tran.


Victor Liu himself lost to Michael Tran in June 2018, at the Canadian Junior Open.

His coach is using the dispute to raise funds for his club ($50,000 goal):

It's interesting that the coach is raising for the coach's club, not for Victor.  
Yep. Sounds pretty self serving to me.
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