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Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Dan had a serious back injury in 2009. Pre-injury he had a UK ranking around #50 but hasn't competed seriously since then. You can see his movement is limited. Without the injury I think he'd be US 2500+ easily.

:( Is it lumbar injury?
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Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Dan had a serious back injury in 2009. Pre-injury he had a UK ranking around #50 but hasn't competed seriously since then. You can see his movement is limited. Without the injury I think he'd be US 2500+ easily.

This definitely explains it... I had no idea.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Dan had a serious back injury in 2009. Pre-injury he had a UK ranking around #50 but hasn't competed seriously since then. You can see his movement is limited. Without the injury I think he'd be US 2500+ easily.

:( Is it lumbar injury?
Don't know. I read somewhere he was told he might never play again, so he's made a pretty great recovery.
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Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Dan had a serious back injury in 2009. Pre-injury he had a UK ranking around #50 but hasn't competed seriously since then. You can see his movement is limited. Without the injury I think he'd be US 2500+ easily.

If was wasn't fat I would be 2600, 


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Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Dan had a serious back injury in 2009. Pre-injury he had a UK ranking around #50 but hasn't competed seriously since then. You can see his movement is limited. Without the injury I think he'd be US 2500+ easily.

This definitely explains it... I had no idea.

I did a quick search and here is a quick discussion re his back problems. Sounds like it was a career ending injury. 



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I don’t know how he played beforehand his injury, but if his forehand was similar to nowadays, then I can understand why he has/had lower back problems. Looks very stiff and choppy. 
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I met Dan at a tournament once and asked him if he trained seriously.  After watching many of his one set showdowns,  I felt that he has very solid technique and many times he wasn't trying too hard to win.  He told me that while playing in the French leagues he had a horrendous back injury that immediately ended his professional career.  Another thing about Dan is that he is a super nice guy.  He isn't going invite someone to play on camera, then destroy them and make them look bad. 

Dan's technique is way above 2100 or 2200 level.  In fact, I think its at least 2400 and was probably much higher pre-injury. 
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Dan was better than Tom before the back injury and played professional in France. He was probably 2500+ then, 2300-2400 now.

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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Dan was better than Tom before the back injury and played professional in France. He was probably 2500+ then, 2300-2400 now.

I see more potential in tom.
He's just more loose/relaxed which gives him better shot quality.
Dan is a lot of showoff.
He makes a sound as if he was dying in every shot, and the shot is a little noodle.


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From many of the statements here I clearly understand that most of the guys who dare to discuss the game between Dan and Maze have never ever come across a pro player, not to mention a world class as M Maze.....and most ridiculous of all is framing those two guys in some kind of US ranking.
Recently I had the rare chance to practice few times with an ex A15 player here in Belgium and I already have plans to invite everyone to my small apartment where I am having a giant bonfire to destroy all the material that I have been torturing for so many years. Don't forget to bring some of yours too. There will enough Belgian beer....

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Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

dan,
-a respectable player and coach
-trained for many years with great players
-has good technique
-estimated to be around US 2400 in level....


I agree with the first two statements.
Dan has good technique? Backhand he does, forehand -- is a bit underpowered, arm only and he's not using his body much
As for his rating, I would say 2200.. In one of his videos he lost to Matt H from NZ. . And Matt is ~2100-2200 if I am not mistaken.

Matts level is significantly higher than 2100-2200.

He's won multiple doubles national titles (yes playing with the best player), but also has lots of wins against top 20 or 30 players in nz, and does stuff like that everytime he comes back. 

For reference our top 10 or 15 level mens players, some when they were the same age as kanak 2 or 3 yrs ago, were competitive/taking sets. 

Im much inferior a player currently, and given what you all consider 2100 or 2200, i am no less than 2200 or 2300 now.

 


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Yes Matt is much closer to 2500 than 2200 he is an international player.
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I think tom considered trying to get to the top level in uk, but he needed financial backup to have that lifestyle of only training and going to tournaments.

that backup never came.

makes me wonder if dan is making a profit from the forum/sponsors/coaching videos/interviews/ittf thing he is doing....


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You guys are way off on Matt’s level. He’s around 2200 and his tournament results would be much different if he was truly 2400+ like you guys are thinking. Just look at the people he’s lost to his last few tournaments.
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Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

You guys are way off on Matt’s level. He’s around 2200 and his tournament results would be much different if he was truly 2400+ like you guys are thinking. Just look at the people he’s lost to his last few tournaments.
Agreed.  His entire USATT history (2013-2018) consistently shows ~2200.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

You guys are way off on Matt’s level. He’s around 2200 and his tournament results would be much different if he was truly 2400+ like you guys are thinking. Just look at the people he’s lost to his last few tournaments.
Agreed.  His entire USATT history (2013-2018) consistently shows ~2200.

I agree with dan being around 2267 right now.
tom could be around 2453.
but it depends a lot on the intensity of the training.

it's not like people in 2600 are 2600 just because they breathe air.
they are 2600 if they keep intense training.
if they stop training they drop considerably.

take one of those alguetti brothers who are 2500 and have him stop tt training for 1 year.
he will be 2050.


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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

You guys are way off on Matt’s level. He’s around 2200 and his tournament results would be much different if he was truly 2400+ like you guys are thinking. Just look at the people he’s lost to his last few tournaments.
Agreed.  His entire USATT history (2013-2018) consistently shows ~2200.

I agree with dan being around 2267 right now.
tom could be around 2453.
but it depends a lot on the intensity of the training.

it's not like people in 2600 are 2600 just because they breathe air.
they are 2600 if they keep intense training.
if they stop training they drop considerably.

take one of those alguetti brothers who are 2500 and have him stop tt training for 1 year.
he will be 2050.
Although I agree that they need to continue to train to maintain 2500+, no way would they drop 500 points if they stopped training for 1 year.  
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i dont get how hunkuneel is considered 2100 or 2000 or 2200 by your usatt and most forumers, looking at that video of his he proudly got completely shat on by the forum for trying to show off. 

If matt playing through a camp is 2200 then hunkuneel is 1400.




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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

i dont get how hunkuneel is considered 2100 or 2000 or 2200 by your usatt and most forumers, looking at that video of his he proudly got completely shat on by the forum for trying to show off. 

If matt playing through a camp is 2200 then hunkuneel is 1400.


Last USATT rating I saw for that forum member was 19XX.
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Dan would be on a par with USA's best female cadets. So whatever their rating is he'd be close to.
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