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Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

the crowd is very decent in numbers, bleachers are well filled all around. not too bad given the absence of ML and FZD , DN and LSW.









The sections at either end of the court are actually mostly empty. It only looks full because of the alternating colours on the seats, where the dark coloured seats next to the yellow ones look like they're filled when you can't see clearly in the shadows. 

I get the feeling that attendance actually lower than last year. I was in the stadium on the Saturday night when there were still four tables being played simultaneously, and the sections which are now at either end of the court were much fuller. This is despite the attending players being much higher calibre than last year. 

If I had to guess why, it would probably be because the tournament is on the weekend of Dragon Boat Festival (which made Friday a public holiday). Additionally, there is a much stronger anti-Chinese sentiment this year due to the timing with the 30th anniversary of July 4, as well as the proposed extradition laws. Anti-Chinese sentiment will definitely affect any tournament where the CNT send their big guns like LGY, LJK, ZY and can be expected to make up much of the later stages of the draw. 

I have videos from the Hong Kong Open 2018. Attendance is actually comparable this year. BTW, it's not anti-Chinese sentiment, but rather anti-mainland sentiment. Nonetheless, there's real anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia. Whatever the case, it doesn't really have anything to do with June 4th or extradition law. Those against it would have taken it to the street than sitting in a stadium watching China steal the show.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Sure didn't know that Wang Yidi is that good.
Very impressive in the first game.
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Update:  WYD won the 2nd game also.
             Ito Mima is in trouble.

Update2: WYD won the 3rd game easily.
              Ito beat so many CNT top female players.  I just didn't know WYD is that good.

Update 3:  WYD won the 4th game easily.

Never knew a day like this can happen to ITO Mima.
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I recall when ITO was beating Zhu Yuling, Zhu was beaten so bad - her face showed that she didn't know what to do.  Zhu probably didn't even know where she was.  

ITO has beaten so many CNT top players (DN, LSW, WMY, ZYL) never thought a day like this can happen.

that defeat cost ZYL a spot in the WCT....Ito does not have the same problem because there is less competition for her
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Yes .... In any case, for a year or two Ito in the top three of the Japanese team is undoubtedly .....
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harimoto better not follow mj's route, those soft fh opening loops are not working...what's next? lobbing? COME ON KID, PLAY YOUR GAME!

edit: that's more like it. well done! YO!!! may the best win. 1-1.stream is very stable btw

edit: very nice 3rd game, th unloads now and is all pumped up. as usual, lgy's quick fh gets behind when pressure rises. he needs to fix that.

edit: stream interrupted in the 1st point of the 4th game.

edit: had to reload. 2-2, lgy is strong, we saw happening what used to be the cause of meltdowns, now he recovers in no time, a real pro, the dima match might have been a wake up call for his self control.


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LGY is on fire, won the first game by a wide margin, 11-3.
Oops, HT came back to win the 2nd game.
Now, game-wise:  1-1
HT took the 3rd game:  1-2  (HT is ahead)
Game-wise:  2-2
Game-wise:  3-2 (LGY is ahead)

LGY won the match:  4-2.




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LGY had a great start then Harimoto changed his game plan and LGY almost choked it. IMO, LGY is still comparatively weak mentally although game like this one will boost his confidence.
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LGY's ITTF ranking points will be increased by 435, ending at 14835 - higher than FZD.
(I think ML, FZD and XX are better players than LGY.)
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

I recall when ITO was beating Zhu Yuling, Zhu was beaten so bad - her face showed that she didn't know what to do.  Zhu probably didn't even know where she was.  

ITO has beaten so many CNT top players (DN, LSW, WMY, ZYL) never thought a day like this can happen.
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I am still amazed by how soundly that Wang Yidi has beaten Ito Mima, in light of Ito's recent performance against several top Chinese female players.
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Ugh, just woke up and saw the score for IM vs. WYD.  Looks like WYD got her revenge. Will watch on YT later. 

Other than whoever gets knocked out of a seeded position, everyone else will be glad when SYS and WYD become seeded players. If you are in the preliminary rounds you don't want to see either in your group because that almost guarantees you'll be knocked out. And if you're seeded, you cross your fingers you don't draw them in your 1st round....  especially SYS. I don't think even CM wants to see SYS in the 1st round.

Oh well, onto Japan it is.
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

harimoto better not follow mj's route, those soft fh opening loops are not working...what's next? lobbing? COME ON KID, PLAY YOUR GAME!

edit: that's more like it. well done! YO!!! may the best win. 1-1.stream is very stable btw

edit: very nice 3rd game, th unloads now and is all pumped up. as usual, lgy's quick fh gets behind when pressure rises. he needs to fix that.

edit: stream interrupted in the 1st point of the 4th game.

edit: had to reload. 2-2, lgy is strong, we saw happening what used to be the cause of meltdowns, now he recovers in no time, a real pro, the dima match might have been a wake up call for his self control.

Yeah I thought Harimoto's game changed for the worse when he started focusing on spin for his opening loops and focusing on his weaker FH receive. But I guess he definitely needs to train them up to eliminate that weakness from his game to become a better player ultimately. Short term pain for long term gain!
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Ugh, just woke up and saw the score for IM vs. WYD.  Looks like WYD got her revenge. Will watch on YT later. 

Other than whoever gets knocked out of a seeded position, everyone else will be glad when SYS and WYD become seeded players. If you are in the preliminary rounds you don't want to see either in your group because that almost guarantees you'll be knocked out. And if you're seeded, you cross your fingers you don't draw them in your 1st round....  especially SYS. I don't think even CM wants to see SYS in the 1st round.

Oh well, onto Japan it is.



It is quite logical ... The probability of Wang Yidi and Yingsha entering the top 16 ITTF is quite high by the fall of this year ....
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Wang Yidi must have practiced her serves, with some kind of variation, that made Ito's serve-attacks very difficult.  Noticed that Wang got many points from her serves - the landing rate of Ito's attacks were very poor.
Do you see any other factors (on WYD's part or on Ito's part) that caused Ito's very poor performance?
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Ugh, just woke up and saw the score for IM vs. WYD.  Looks like WYD got her revenge. Will watch on YT later. 

Other than whoever gets knocked out of a seeded position, everyone else will be glad when SYS and WYD become seeded players. If you are in the preliminary rounds you don't want to see either in your group because that almost guarantees you'll be knocked out. And if you're seeded, you cross your fingers you don't draw them in your 1st round....  especially SYS. I don't think even CM wants to see SYS in the 1st round.

Oh well, onto Japan it is.
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That makes sense, as SYS was the winner of 2017 Japan Open.  She is a strong player.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:


I have videos from the Hong Kong Open 2018. Attendance is actually comparable this year. BTW, it's not anti-Chinese sentiment, but rather anti-mainland sentiment. Nonetheless, there's real anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia. Whatever the case, it doesn't really have anything to do with June 4th or extradition law. Those against it would have taken it to the street than sitting in a stadium watching China steal the show.
Actually, there was an "eager" extradition law protest in HK today.  I was surprised to see that many people came to the game. They must paid the ticket themselves LOLLOLLOL

Anyway, I thought HT would won after he was up 2:1 EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

the crowd is very decent in numbers, bleachers are well filled all around. not too bad given the absence of ML and FZD , DN and LSW.









The sections at either end of the court are actually mostly empty. It only looks full because of the alternating colours on the seats, where the dark coloured seats next to the yellow ones look like they're filled when you can't see clearly in the shadows. 

I get the feeling that attendance actually lower than last year. I was in the stadium on the Saturday night when there were still four tables being played simultaneously, and the sections which are now at either end of the court were much fuller. This is despite the attending players being much higher calibre than last year. 

If I had to guess why, it would probably be because the tournament is on the weekend of Dragon Boat Festival (which made Friday a public holiday). Additionally, there is a much stronger anti-Chinese sentiment this year due to the timing with the 30th anniversary of June 4, as well as the proposed extradition laws. Anti-Chinese sentiment will definitely affect any tournament where the CNT send their big guns like LGY, LJK, ZY and can be expected to make up much of the later stages of the draw. 

I have videos from the Hong Kong Open 2018. Attendance is actually comparable this year. BTW, it's not anti-Chinese sentiment, but rather anti-mainland sentiment. Nonetheless, there's real anti-Chinese sentiment in Australia. Whatever the case, it doesn't really have anything to do with June 4th or extradition law. Those against it would have taken it to the street than sitting in a stadium watching China steal the show.

Looks like turnout for the tournament is low every year in that case LOL

And yes, I should have been clearer in saying that it was sentiment against the mainland - a lot who aren't familiar with the area might not realise the difference. There were demonstrations in Melbourne too!


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Wang Yidi must have practiced her serves, with some kind of variation, that made Ito's serve-attacks very difficult.  Noticed that Wang got many points from her serves - the landing rate of Ito's attacks were very poor.
Do you see any other factors (on WYD's part or on Ito's part) that caused Ito's very poor performance?
rewatching the ITO vs DN, ITO did not miss her attack that much, and ITO could have a rally with DN. In this match, ITO could not defend WYD attack at all.
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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

I take the Chinese players over the Japanese players anytime. My bold prediction: LGY 4-2 HT; WYD 4-3 IM. 
I stand corrected, WYD 4-0 IMTongue. Otherwise right on the money.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

It is really annoying to think that we need to mute the TV to watch TT matches for several more years.

I am surprised that no one in the audience yells something bad against Harimoto even in the China Open. 

I like the fervor Harimoto brings to the sport

also, I think the mic on the table makes his cho-ing louder than what the audience hears
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

It is really annoying to think that we need to mute the TV to watch TT matches for several more years.

I am surprised that no one in the audience yells something bad against Harimoto even in the China Open. 
Reading post regarding this for the next few years does it for me. 


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Actually the best way to un-cho HT is beating the crap out of him.
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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

I take the Chinese players over the Japanese players anytime. My bold prediction: LGY 4-2 HT; WYD 4-3 IM. 
I stand corrected, WYD 4-0 IMTongue. Otherwise right on the money.
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also, I think the mic on the table makes his cho-ing louder than what the audience hears
I think this is right. Adam Bobrow actually said today that the audience seems to like the cho-ing despite what you would think from reading internet comments.
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