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That is because China posters make up a large % of this forum. 



on other forums same things
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Blahness, laugh, why did you reveal Jack's true self? Even after he created a puppet name to inundate this board with his narratives. Forgive him, he's just a schizo boy who hates his identity and race.  

He's running out of excuses as his boy TH got spanked again last night 4 nil.  I wonder what he's going to come up with after all his faulty narratives:
1. Boost rubber (So it's not OK for players to use factory boosted rubber?)
2. Illegal serve (Are you a referee?)
3. Lying about age (really?  So Ma Long is not 30, he's 33)

Jack, what's next?  Is CNT using some sort of illegal super blade made of pure graphene? 
 


Jackwong sucks but there is nothing faulty about those 3 "narratives".
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

That is because China posters make up a large % of this forum. 



on other forums same things
People talking about CNT has little to do with the %. It is be'cos people like to talk about winner, noone wants to talking loser Embarrassed
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Just because they're the top team doesn't mean they're more interesting that other teams.



they actually more interesting than other teams
How exactly? Just because they win more than everyone else that makes them more interesting?
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by pongping2323 pongping2323 wrote:


Just because they're the top team doesn't mean they're more interesting that other teams.



they actually more interesting than other teams

How exactly? Just because they win more than everyone else that makes them more interesting?



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FZD should have skunked KK when he had the chance, not doing so messed up his mentality

I thought LSW got rid of the mercy point nonsense but guess not...
LSW is "personal" LOL

i can agree for 'personal' with Ding Ning but what about Chen Meng? lol
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Blahness, laugh, why did you reveal Jack's true self? Even after he created a puppet name to inundate this board with his narratives. Forgive him, he's just a schizo boy who hates his identity and race.  

He's running out of excuses as his boy TH got spanked again last night 4 nil.  I wonder what he's going to come up with after all his faulty narratives:
1. Boost rubber (So it's not OK for players to use factory boosted rubber?)
2. Illegal serve (Are you a referee?)
3. Lying about age (really?  So Ma Long is not 30, he's 33)

Jack, what's next?  Is CNT using some sort of illegal super blade made of pure graphene? 
 


Jackwong sucks but there is nothing faulty about those 3 "narratives".

What?  Did ITTF tell you that personally or did the Olympic committee?  If it was done once or by one person, does that mean it's must be true forever or that everybody is doing it?  Since you are a 40 year old virgin, does that make everybody one?  Do you even have logic sense?  Or are you a redneck supporting Trump's fake news or claim that everyone is raping America? 


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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by pongping2323 pongping2323 wrote:


Just because they're the top team doesn't mean they're more interesting that other teams.
 



they actually more interesting than other teams


That is only your opinion mate



not only my. most people watching world tours because of CNT and most discussions here about chinese players.

That is because China posters make up a 
large % of this forum. 

So are you saying these China posters shouldn't be following and posting about CNT instead they should follow JNT?  Not everyone is schizo like you, Jack.  
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:


Blahness, laugh, why did you reveal Jack's true self? Even after he created a puppet name to inundate this board with his narratives. Forgive him, he's just a schizo boy who hates his identity and race.  

He's running out of excuses as his boy TH got spanked again last night 4 nil.  I wonder what he's going to come up with after all his faulty narratives:
1. Boost rubber (So it's not OK for players to use factory boosted rubber?)
2. Illegal serve (Are you a referee?)
3. Lying about age (really?  So Ma Long is not 30, he's 33)

Jack, what's next?  Is CNT using some sort of illegal super blade made of pure graphene? 
 


Jackwong sucks but there is nothing faulty about those 3 "narratives".

What?  Did ITTF tell you that personally or did the Olympic committee?  If it was done once or by one person, does that mean it's must be true forever or that everybody is doing it?  Since you are a 40 year old virgin, does that make everybody one?  Do you even have logic sense?  Or are you a redneck supporting Trump's fake news or claim that everyone is raping America? 


Still not tired of baseless personal attacks that aren't even true, so mature. Who hurt you?

Age faking is rampant among Chinese players. If you don't know this then you've clearly never spoken to any. Same goes for boosting. And illegal serving can be confirmed by anyone with eyes.
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I wanted to ask JW what "China posters" are , but I didn't because he won't be able to give an acceptable (to the normal people) answerSmile
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:


Blahness, laugh, why did you reveal Jack's true self? Even after he created a puppet name to inundate this board with his narratives. Forgive him, he's just a schizo boy who hates his identity and race.  

He's running out of excuses as his boy TH got spanked again last night 4 nil.  I wonder what he's going to come up with after all his faulty narratives:
1. Boost rubber (So it's not OK for players to use factory boosted rubber?)
2. Illegal serve (Are you a referee?)
3. Lying about age (really?  So Ma Long is not 30, he's 33)

Jack, what's next?  Is CNT using some sort of illegal super blade made of pure graphene? 
 


Jackwong sucks but there is nothing faulty about those 3 "narratives".

What?  Did ITTF tell you that personally or did the Olympic committee?  If it was done once or by one person, does that mean it's must be true forever or that everybody is doing it?  Since you are a 40 year old virgin, does that make everybody one?  Do you even have logic sense?  Or are you a redneck supporting Trump's fake news or claim that everyone is raping America? 


Still not tired of baseless personal attacks that aren't even true, so mature. Who hurt you?

Age faking is rampant among Chinese players. If you don't know this then you've clearly never spoken to any. Same goes for boosting. And illegal serving can be confirmed by anyone with eyes.

Yes, keep alleging these claims.  Why doesn't ITTF do anything about if they are so true and widespread?  I get it, because they are just claims, rumors and not true.  

But yet, we have posters like you, who cling to the last straw so you can maintain your sanity and convince yourself that CNT can not win.  
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Your response already shows how clueless you are. But I'm feeling nice so I'll fill you in. They have "legitimate" documents that can be easily forged to change your birth date. Thus, the ITTF cannot do anything. Nothing to allege here, it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players. You're in the Bay Area, you should know? Unless you don't run in those circles.


Did I say anything anywhere about the CNT not being able to win? Nope. More things you're coming up with in your head. I see you're a fan of straw man arguments.


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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Your response already shows how clueless you are. But I'm feeling nice so I'll fill you in. They have "legitimate" documents that can be easily forged to change your birth date. Thus, the ITTF cannot do anything. Nothing to allege here, it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players. You're in the Bay Area, you should know? Unless you don't run in those circles.


Did I say anything anywhere about the CNT not being able to win? Nope. More things you're coming up with in your head. I see you're a fan of straw man arguments.

Fill in with what?  Someone said so you regurgitated as the truth?  Your argument is nothing but claims and you heard someone said.  Birth documents can be easily forged?  So is your birthday fake as well?  Judging by your statement,s you are a fan of so called "whatever news outlets tell me, it must be real"?  Or whatever someone on the street tells me, it must be real.  Are you saying you can form your entire argument based on someone said?  Yeah, everyone knows, who is that everyone exactly?

And you didn't tell us about the other two "faulty" narrative.  If those are true, why aren't ITTF doing anything about it?  Why didn't ITTF make it a priority?  

Now I am starting to believe that you might've talked to couple of the players who lost to CNT and they complain about illegal serves, boosted rubber and age issue.  And you take it as the truth instead of excuse.  
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I wanted to ask JW what "China posters" are , but I didn't because he won't be able to give an acceptable (to the normal people) answerSmile

Probably something more inflammatory and not worth responding to.  LOL
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Harimoto is going to meet WCQ again tomorrow at 20:00!

What will happen this time?

And why does WCQ serve like John McEnroe anyway?
And is that toss legal?

Unfortunately that match was very anti-climatic, Harimoto didn't even put up a fight.  
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Except for serves, you guys are arguing about nothing, as what Patwall is allleging JW is doing (arguing about nothing).  1) If DHS boost the rubber for the CNT - it is not illegal 2) illegal serves should not be done, but that is a problem for ITTF to resolve 3)don't see how faking age gives advantage in open events.
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by aerial aerial wrote:


FZD should have skunked KK when he had the chance, not doing so messed up his mentality

I thought LSW got rid of the mercy point nonsense but guess not...
LSW is "personal" LOL

i can agree for 'personal' with Ding Ning but what about Chen Meng? lol
If you need to ask, you don't understand it. Anyway, you may be right. We will c
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I wanted to ask JW what "China posters" are , but I didn't because he won't be able to give an acceptable (to the normal people) answerSmile

Probably something more inflammatory and not worth responding to.  LOL
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Your response already shows how clueless you are. But I'm feeling nice so I'll fill you in. They have "legitimate" documents that can be easily forged to change your birth date. Thus, the ITTF cannot do anything. Nothing to allege here, it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players. You're in the Bay Area, you should know? Unless you don't run in those circles.


Did I say anything anywhere about the CNT not being able to win? Nope. More things you're coming up with in your head. I see you're a fan of straw man arguments.
 
The only legit claim is some of them forged their birth certificate to be 2 years younger. And I'm not even sure they're still doing this in the newer generations - China is transitioning into (or already have?)  a system that tracks everything, including births I'm sure. It's harder and harder to forge anything you know.  
 
The claims about boosting and service is ridiculous. Are you an ITTF umpire? Anything not called illegal is legal in a match. As long as they apply even standards to everyone, it's a level playing field.
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Harimoto is going to meet WCQ again tomorrow at 20:00!

What will happen this time?

And why does WCQ serve like John McEnroe anyway?
And is that toss legal?

Unfortunately that match was very anti-climatic, Harimoto didn't even put up a fight.  
He was out of the gate running; he only gave up after he knew he had no chance LOL
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Harimoto is going to meet WCQ again tomorrow at 20:00!

What will happen this time?

And why does WCQ serve like John McEnroe anyway?
And is that toss legal?

Unfortunately that match was very anti-climatic, Harimoto didn't even put up a fight.  
He was out of the gate running; he only gave up after he knew he had no chance LOL
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Your response already shows how clueless you are. But I'm feeling nice so I'll fill you in. They have "legitimate" documents that can be easily forged to change your birth date. Thus, the ITTF cannot do anything. Nothing to allege here, it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players. You're in the Bay Area, you should know? Unless you don't run in those circles.


Did I say anything anywhere about the CNT not being able to win? Nope. More things you're coming up with in your head. I see you're a fan of straw man arguments.

Fill in with what?  Someone said so you regurgitated as the truth?  Your argument is nothing but claims and you heard someone said.  Birth documents can be easily forged?  So is your birthday fake as well?  Judging by your statement,s you are a fan of so called "whatever news outlets tell me, it must be real"?  Or whatever someone on the street tells me, it must be real.  Are you saying you can form your entire argument based on someone said?  Yeah, everyone knows, who is that everyone exactly?

And you didn't tell us about the other two "faulty" narrative.  If those are true, why aren't ITTF doing anything about it?  Why didn't ITTF make it a priority?  

Now I am starting to believe that you might've talked to couple of the players who lost to CNT and they complain about illegal serves, boosted rubber and age issue.  And you take it as the truth instead of excuse.  


Your inability to talk like a civilized human and not get so riled up is so exhausting. Maybe "it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players" was unclear - I've literally talked directly to countless Chinese players who admitted to having fake ages, knowing people who did the same thing, and even carry two separate passports with separate birth dates. Now the next step is you say I'm lying, they were joking, it's all a prank...

You can stay willfully ignorant if you wish but whenever I see someone deny that some Chinese players fake their ages I instantly know that they are very out of the loop on things. Probably a casual with no contact to Chinese coaches or high level players. Nothing wrong with that but it's just common knowledge among anyone who has been around them. And I have nothing against Chinese TT, far from a hater, in fact quite a fan. That doesn't mean we have to deny that they do this.

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Except for serves, you guys are arguing about nothing, as what Patwall is allleging JW is doing (arguing about nothing).  1) If DHS boost the rubber for the CNT - it is not illegal 2) illegal serves should not be done, but that is a problem for ITTF to resolve 3)don't see how faking age gives advantage in open events.


It starts from the junior ranks, and then follows them into adult events later in their careers.

I'm not even going to argue that players (all, not just Chinese) boost their rubbers after it comes out of the factory. Not that I care if anyone does. But they do it.

I don't know or care what jackwong said about it. I don't care about illegal serves, boosting or age faking. But I'm just stating that they do happen.


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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Your response already shows how clueless you are. But I'm feeling nice so I'll fill you in. They have "legitimate" documents that can be easily forged to change your birth date. Thus, the ITTF cannot do anything. Nothing to allege here, it's openly admitted by countless former Chinese provincial, national etc. players. You're in the Bay Area, you should know? Unless you don't run in those circles.


Did I say anything anywhere about the CNT not being able to win? Nope. More things you're coming up with in your head. I see you're a fan of straw man arguments.
 
The only legit claim is some of them forged their birth certificate to be 2 years younger. And I'm not even sure they're still doing this in the newer generations - China is transitioning into (or already have?)  a system that tracks everything, including births I'm sure. It's harder and harder to forge anything you know.  
 
The claims about boosting and service is ridiculous. Are you an ITTF umpire? Anything not called illegal is legal in a match. As long as they apply even standards to everyone, it's a level playing field.

This I agree with, there might've been couple of bad actors many years ago.  But it's rare and no where widespread as some of the board members here stated.  
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Except for serves, you guys are arguing about nothing, as what Patwall is allleging JW is doing (arguing about nothing).  1) If DHS boost the rubber for the CNT - it is not illegal 2) illegal serves should not be done, but that is a problem for ITTF to resolve 3)don't see how faking age gives advantage in open events.


It starts from the junior ranks, and then follows them into adult events later in their careers. -  but it does not help in an open event

I'm not even going to argue that players (all, not just Chinese) boost their rubbers after it comes out of the factory. Not that I care if anyone does. But they do it. - not saying it is true or not, if yes then everybody is on a level playing field

I don't know or care what jackwong said about it. I don't care about illegal serves, boosting or age faking. But I'm just stating that they do happen.
please see my answers to your points above, perhaps they do happen, but it does not help the CNT win so there should not have been any arguments - not saying that is what you were thinking but that is how it read


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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Except for serves, you guys are arguing about nothing, as what Patwall is allleging JW is doing (arguing about nothing).  1) If DHS boost the rubber for the CNT - it is not illegal 2) illegal serves should not be done, but that is a problem for ITTF to resolve 3)don't see how faking age gives advantage in open events.


It starts from the junior ranks, and then follows them into adult events later in their careers.

I'm not even going to argue that players (all, not just Chinese) boost their rubbers after it comes out of the factory. Not that I care if anyone does. But they do it.

I don't know or care what jackwong said about it. I don't care about illegal serves, boosting or age faking. But I'm just stating that they do happen.

Yes, they do happen but again it's not as prevalent as someone stated and certainly not the factors on the outcome of certain game.   Secondly, boosting and illegal serves are totally within the jurisdiction of ITTF, why didn't they do something about it? 
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"You can stay willfully ignorant if you wish but whenever I see someone deny that some Chinese players fake their ages I instantly know that they are very out of the loop on things. Probably a casual with no contact to Chinese coaches or high level players. Nothing wrong with that but it's just common knowledge among anyone who has been around them. And I have nothing against Chinese TT, far from a hater, in fact quite a fan. That doesn't mean we have to deny that they do this."  Bard- are you a bot?  you are starting to repeat sentences / patterns 

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