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LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.
Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than than the other
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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bard romance

LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.
Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than the other
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

bard romance

LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.
Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than than the other
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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bard romance

LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.
Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than the other
What's wrong is using WR 599 as if it had significant meaning when his ITTF history was literally one tournament.  His current ranking is WR 233 and will continue to change as long as he continues to play.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

bard romance

LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.

Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than the other


What's wrong is using WR 599 as if it had significant meaning when his ITTF history was literally one tournament.  His current ranking is WR 233 and will continue to change as long as he continues to play.



Lin Yun-ju beat him. Harimoto lost
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

bard romance

LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.


World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.



World number 4 wouldn't lose to World number 599. If this happen there is something wrong.

Is there something wrong with world number 6 if he loses to world number 599?
Tongue obviously something is wrong in both cases but one is more wrong than the other


What's wrong is using WR 599 as if it had significant meaning when his ITTF history was literally one tournament.  His current ranking is WR 233 and will continue to change as long as he continues to play.



Lin Yun-ju beat him. Harimoto lost

Liang Jingkun also lost. Why not focus on that?

Harimoto had one exceptionally bad game.
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NL do you not agree HT is not that consistent for a #4?  Not much to do with the above posts.
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NL do you not agree HT is not that consistent for a #4?  Not much to do with the above posts.

Not sure what you mean by "not that consistent".  Since he turned #4 in December/January, who has he lost to that is a bad player?  Sun Wen (who also beat Liang Jingkun)?   ML, FZD, LGY?  Koki Niwa?  Mattias Falck?  Lin Yun Ju?  An Jaehyun, who clearly was having the tournament of his life and beat Wong Chun Ting, Jang Woojin, and Daniel Habesohn and came close to beating Falck?

Every player has a range.  You have to look at the range to see what is possible.  HT is also 16. There is implied volatility in that age because lots of things are still being changed and the game is not mature.  But if you are arguing he is inconsistent for a #4, what ranking are you arguing he would be consistent for?

Losing to good players is part of table tennis. The problem is that the CNT top players are so consistent and far ahead of other players they give a distorted view of what it means to be at a certain level.  You really should consider FZD, XX, ML all players that would have been #1 in many eras but they just happen to co-exist.  That is what great players tend to do.  

So no, Harimoto to me is not inconsistent for a #4, he is what he is.  But this is an opinion thing, not a factual thing. 
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NL do you not agree HT is not that consistent for a #4?  Not much to do with the above posts.

Not sure what you mean by "not that consistent".  Since he turned #4 in December/January, who has he lost to that is a bad player?  Sun Wen (who also beat Liang Jingkun)?   ML, FZD, LGY?  Koki Niwa?  Mattias Falck?  Lin Yun Ju?  An Jaehyun, who clearly was having the tournament of his life and beat Wong Chun Ting, Jang Woojin, and Daniel Habesohn and came close to beating Falck?

Every player has a range.  You have to look at the range to see what is possible.  HT is also 16. There is implied volatility in that age because lots of things are still being changed and the game is not mature.  But if you are arguing he is inconsistent for a #4, what ranking are you arguing he would be consistent for?

Losing to good players is part of table tennis. The problem is that the CNT top players are so consistent and far ahead of other players they give a distorted view of what it means to be at a certain level.  You really should consider FZD, XX, ML all players that would have been #1 in many eras but they just happen to co-exist.  That is what great players tend to do.  

So no, Harimoto to me is not inconsistent for a #4, he is what he is.  But this is an opinion thing, not a factual thing. 
no problem. and if I was too specific, then top 10 would have sufficed - but that should not matter for your answer.
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interesting fact from the ITTF player profile :Current year matches, win % for the top ten men
XX 90%, LGY 81, FZD 80, HT 65. ML 90, LJK 78, CALDERANO 65, TB 77, FALCK 64, JANG 56

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

NL do you not agree HT is not that consistent for a #4?  Not much to do with the above posts.

Not sure what you mean by "not that consistent".  Since he turned #4 in December/January, who has he lost to that is a bad player?  Sun Wen (who also beat Liang Jingkun)?   ML, FZD, LGY?  Koki Niwa?  Mattias Falck?  Lin Yun Ju?  An Jaehyun, who clearly was having the tournament of his life and beat Wong Chun Ting, Jang Woojin, and Daniel Habesohn and came close to beating Falck?

Every player has a range.  You have to look at the range to see what is possible.  HT is also 16. There is implied volatility in that age because lots of things are still being changed and the game is not mature.  But if you are arguing he is inconsistent for a #4, what ranking are you arguing he would be consistent for?

Losing to good players is part of table tennis. The problem is that the CNT top players are so consistent and far ahead of other players they give a distorted view of what it means to be at a certain level.  You really should consider FZD, XX, ML all players that would have been #1 in many eras but they just happen to co-exist.  That is what great players tend to do.  

So no, Harimoto to me is not inconsistent for a #4, he is what he is.  But this is an opinion thing, not a factual thing. 
The 1st paragraph says it all, how nicely put! The rest is dynamic, taking into account all what happens in the life of an upcoming young man. Thanks for the big picture.
People here noticed before our expectations are too severe, TH has gone up so fast we think he should stay there all the time and we see failure when it does not happen. That’s ignoring the ups and down inherent to any progression. A sinusoïdal curve can go down while the axis around which the whole curve is wobbling goes up.
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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.

World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.
 
Are you saying Harimoto to TT is Bill Gates to money? Well, for one thing, Harimoto is only No. 4 in TT and Gates is No.2 in money. Also, Gates has a big money problem compared to Bezos! Just like Harimoto has a FH problem vs other top players. They don't have any problems compared to ordinary people like us obviously LOL
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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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LYJ looks more solid with better technique and more consistence. Harimoto has big problem with FH and it doesn't looks getting better.

World number 4 has big problems with his FH? That's like saying Bill Gates has a big problem with money.
 
Are you saying Harimoto to TT is Bill Gates to money? Well, for one thing, Harimoto is only No. 4 in TT and Gates is No.2 in money. Also, Gates has a big money problem compared to Bezos! Just like Harimoto has a FH problem vs other top players. They don't have any problems compared to ordinary people like us obviously LOL

Its known that everybody exploit the weak FH of HT a lot of top 20 players have better FH than harimoto even janak has better FH
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kanak doesn't have a better FH. 
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kanak doesn't have a better FH. 

Well Harimoto did admit that his relative weakness is his FH. That said he is working hard on it, and even in the Korea Open I saw a lot of improvements in stability and speed of his FH. It's incredible how fast the kid learns!
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At least khanak has a real Fh counter not that garage Bh block from the right side
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At least khanak has a real Fh counter not that garage Bh block from the right side

like it or not he is a top 10 level player and is better than kanak
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At least khanak has a real Fh counter not that garage Bh block from the right side

like it or not he is a top 10 level player and is better than kanak

Never said I dont like it just never seen a player using his Bh to block like that  .at top.10..even if I like it or not t that wont change  the fact his FH is weak is like kreanga that His bh covered a FH weakness
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Kanak has the Pitchford forehand. Fantastic against topspin but cant produce as much power without it. i'm sure it will come and he is impressing me but he is far from a powerful player. He is a quick player who is very good at pressure play. 
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in recent interview Harimoto itself said he need to improve his FH
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Will Xu Xin replace Fan Zhendong in the Olympic Singles?! 
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