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    Posted: 07/08/2019 at 8:31pm
For those who don't believe that fast long underspin services are possible, see this:


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Is that fast ?
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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Is that fast ?

Fast enough to jam most amateurs who won't be able to loop it with quality especially if you have the short FH variant to keep them guessing. If you force a push out from your opponent the 3rd ball is relatively easy as it'll be long and slow. If they try a slow low quality loop most likely it's gonna be on the diagonal line and you can simply BH rip it down the line and it's point over. 

The sidetopspin variant is extremely potent against those who like to push. 




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Players that aren't at the level to make a strong return on these serves are unlikely to be playing anyone good enough to do the serve in the first place.

That serve should get crushed by any attacking player 1900 or above.
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Players that aren't at the level to make a strong return on these serves are unlikely to be playing anyone good enough to do the serve in the first place.

That serve should get crushed by any attacking player 1900 or above.

Lol I saw pushblocker using similar long FH serves against 2200+ players and they were eating them for breakfast, lunch and dinner...

It all depends on how good the serving level is relative to the receiving level. Heck even Ma Long uses them a lot. Sun Wen used it against Harimoto so many times and Harimoto didn't manage to get even 30% success rate from my estimation.
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Nice video and very true. Sun Wen used and uses the long serve variations alot. You only need to produce doubt which can equal a opportunity for a strong shot next to take control or win the point outright. 

Harimoto seemed really unsure of how to deal with it and didn't adjust well in the match blahness mentioned. Match tactics were perfect by Sun Wen that match.

It won't always work against opposition but is a great arrow to have in your quiver. 




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Faster than I thought possible... I will not lie.
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This video was mentioned and in my list of videos to translate! That said, I've been so busy recently :(
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

For those who don't believe that fast long underspin services are possible, see this:



Hi,

The context of discussion is serves, so yes, these are fast serves within the spectrum of serves' speeds employed.

Thank you for the video.


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Is the serve receiver Gucchy, at least 2400 with Long Pips on BH?
The one seen hitting with Samsonov and Freitas? Maybe he is not trying?
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Gucchy doesn't play with long pips normally. He's using inverted in that video too.

Also, he's most certainly not trying. He's just demonstrating the reaction of the serve off his racket
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Gucchy doesn't play with long pips normally. He's using inverted in that video too.

Also, he's most certainly not trying. He's just demonstrating the reaction of the serve off his racket

The fact that he is not trying is very important to note.

And the difference in levels is important as well.  The deception can make the receiver make errors. 

And these are side backspin,  not really pure backspin.  With pure backspin, the way the ball slows down is more visible.
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