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    Posted: 08/10/2019 at 7:49pm
Can you all please kindly list the rubbers, brand and type (Long Pimples,Short Pimples or Medium Pimples)  that became banned due to the :-
 
1.  Aspect Ratio thingy of 1998
2.  Pip Density Limitation of 2002 (or so)
3.  Frictionless Pips ban of 2008
4.  Just banned for fun or other reasons anytime (such as bamboo slash pips etc)

Thanks


Edited by DavenKrugz - 08/10/2019 at 7:51pm
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The page as retrieved on May15, 2008
https://web.archive.org/web/20080515092214/http://www.hallmarktt.co.uk/e-long.php

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https://web.archive.org/web/20080604180530/http://www.hallmarktt.co.uk/e-long.php

December20, 2008
https://web.archive.org/web/20081220224718/http://www.hallmarktt.co.uk/e-long.php

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https://web.archive.org/web/20090201101318/http://hallmarktt.co.uk/e-long.php

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https://web.archive.org/web/20080913080451/http://www.ittf.com/ittf_equipment/pdf/Racket_list_no_29.pdf

Rubbers discontinued of 1 July 2008 is marked in green. Most of the rubbers failed to pass friction test.

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There is a thing called ITTF.  Google is a thing.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

There is a thing called ITTF.  Google is a thing.

 

My question was NOT about current LARC.

BTW I do not know where the previous LARCs are and how to find them and that is why I am asking for your help.

Finally I am asking about specific categories of rubber that were affected by a specific change by ITTF  such as 

1.  Aspect Ratio thingy of 1998

2.  Pip Density Limitation of 2002 (or so)

3.  Frictionless Pips ban of 2008

4.  Just banned for fun or other reasons anytime (such as bamboo slash pips etc)

 

Another problem is that Internet was at its infancy in 1998 let alone 1995 & Al Gore kept it a secret at least from me  & I do not know what Al Gore was doing in 1983 LOL . If internet had been around at even a little more developed stage in 1995 , I am 200% sure the failed Aspect Ratio thingy of 1995 Tianjin BGM  would not have passed at Durban (South Africa) secret ITTF meeting by the closest of margins (a two vote difference) as more voters on council would have understood the true agenda & intentions of the proponents of that change (Eberhard Scholer & Dr.Harrison).  The playing public and even top choppers were caught by total surprise since it already failed & the whole Durban process was kept a secret

 

Not all the information is available on WWW, and Google is not the only search engine. How many people even here know the legacy components of of the WWW other than internet,  such as Gopher, (RSTT on)  USENET (DEJA) etc. ?  Digging up as much information about a specific issue is a collaborative effort  by many people (as many posters on this group) and not just using one search engine any just typing in a phrase. You talk like a young person at a job interview who when was asked if had a college degree, answered by saying “No but I have Google”. Of course most posters will start ripping me to pieces based on personal agendas using internet and forum etiquette as excuses and there is not much I can do about it.  

 

Most young posters here have no clue of the history of oppression of pimples especially defensive styles & most older players are afraid to speak up for fear of retribution & becoming social outcasts.  I never participate in TT forums but I noticed that there was another hot thread on this forum that discusses ITTF friction testing issue & I thought this is a proper time to bring it up. In UK we are a little more familiar than in Canada or USA,  about the shock waves & resentment that the Two Color Rule & Aspect Ratio thingy caused but had been silenced by the ITTF and forgotten by even older pimple players & new young pimple players have no clue of this history of ongoing oppression of pimple users. How many posters even here know about the pip density restriction change of (circa) 2002. Where can you even find more information about this ?  Yeah right Google it.   

For example if you look at the history of table tennis page on ITTF website, you will see that almost all the above changes have been cleverly excluded

Check if the above ITTF webpage even mentions any of the following items that affects pimple players :-

1. 1983 Two Color Rule

2. 1995 Ban of speed Glue & immediate reversal

3. 1998  Aspect Ratio  (failed at 1995 BGM)

4. 2000   40 mm ball (failed in prior BGM or AGM)

5. 2002  Pip density restriction

6. 2008  Frictionless pimple ban

7. 2015  Elimination of celluloid balls for less spinny poly balls


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Obviously this does not apply to pimpled table tennis players 

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The initial post(s) are a little short and quite demanding. You seem to want people to do a lot of work for you, which is why the replies are sometimes a bit negative.  And you give little clue as to your own agenda.
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clues are there in the other threads as to motivation.  The topic is a train that left the station a long long long time ago.   Not sure why anyone would bother to type it all in even if they had the info at their fingertips ( and not many members here would know the answer in 2019).  I wonder what percentage of currently active members ever played with 38 mm balls?  I'd be surprised if it was half.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I wonder what percentage of currently active members ever played with 38 mm balls?  I'd be surprised if it was half.

For some reason, that made me feel old. Thanks, bro. LOL
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I wonder what percentage of currently active members ever played with 38 mm balls?  I'd be surprised if it was half.

That's an interesting question to answer 

Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

For some reason, that made me feel old. Thanks, bro. LOL

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The bigger problem with this question is that over the years manufacturers discontinue rubbers. E.g. as far as I'm aware, Butterfly simply stopped making Impartial and Rein, but they were phased out in the first half of the millennium, so it's hard to know exactly what happened there unless you looked at the LARC from that time. There are a lot of rubbers like that, so we'll have to identify rubbers that we know didn't meet the new guidelines. A first example would be any pips that had varying width (such as any of the pips made by Yung). Then any pips that were frictionless (Hallmark, Dr. Neubauer, et al.) After that we know rubbers such as Spinpips/MD Spinpips and its variants (power, chop, etc) as well as Bamboo Curl were all banned. Best thing to do would be to compile old LARCs if you can (and I've seen them go back close to 2000), and look at them year over year.
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And then there were the one's that didn't pass the various changing specifications over the years like the Original versions of TSP SpinPips and Butterfly Feint Long (the first one  with no number or letters after it).  Both were replaced by newer versions like TSP SpinPips MD, Super SpinPips, Super SpinPips Chop II; and Butterfly Feint Long II, III, and AG.  It makes this a tedious process, because the names were reused later on.
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