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Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Hey Pongfugrasshopper, thank you very much for outlining the WR race between Lily Zhang and Wu Yue. I and some other are probably interested on how the WR race turns out as the year progresses since it will affect who make the Olympic team and maybe who plays the single event during the Olympics. Based on the USATT Selection procedures, aside from the trials winner and the 3rd member discretionary selection, the one who gets an automatic Olympic spot is the one with the highest WR as of Feb. 2020.
It's also highly possible that USATT chooses the highest World-Ranked American to compete in singles, so it's not just a race for a guaranteed Olympic spot but possibly a race for the other singles spot (assuming Liu Juan is selected for the first singles spot due to her absolute dominance over other USA table tennis players)

I just wanted to highlight that you forgot to include the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships results in your calculation. These points won't expire yet by Feb. 2020, so Wu Yue and Lily should get 1220 and 970 points respectively, giving Wu Yue the slight lead in Feb. 2020 ranking.

The upcoming Women's World Cup could be a big turning point. If Lily can make the main draw and Wu Yue doesn't, they would be neck-in-neck again. This scenario is entirely possible given that Lily has a 3/4 chance of getting either Mo Zhang, Dina Meshref, or Adriana Diaz all of whom Lily is capable of beating. 

Let me know you're interested in posting updates regarding the race since you've already started. Smile If not, I could do it too, but the updates might come a bit erratically since I've been a bit busy lately.
Thanks apacible.  I had focused on the 2019 results and forgot about the 2018 WTTTC so you're right.  

Yes, this upcoming WWC is going to be very interesting.  It's going to depend on what draw each will get.  First 8 positions are seeded. Positions 9-12 are the lead players of 4 groups of 3.  From 9-12, that would be: Szocs, Jeon Jihee, Solja, and Samara.  I don't see either player advancing if they're in the same group as JJ.  The rest are very winnable.  

It would be great if you could continue with updates.  If you get too busy, let me know and I can do it.  Looking forward to an exciting race!

Sure! Maybe an update after the World Cup then. Smile Neither Lily nor Wu Yue have to beat any of the 9-12 seeds to advance to the main draw. It's enough to finish 2nd in their respective groups. Seeds 13-16 are Chen Szu-Yu, Meshref, Diaz, and Mo Zhang. Lily has been able to beat the latter two recently, and should be the favorite against Meshref. Wu Yue has beaten Meshref before, but has lost her more recent encounters against Diaz and Mo Zhang. Guess we'll have to wait for the draw.
Ah yes, you are right.  Where it *might* matter is that group winners have a better chance at a slightly better draw in the main draw.  I think the only player I can see as being a *potential* 1st round upset is Sofia Polcanova.  Obviously stronger than both Lily and Yue, but I don't think out of reach for Lily if she plays the way she did when she completely dismantled Bruna.
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Just to reset where we are with the inclusion of the 2018 Team World Cup and Yue's slight gain from the German Open:

WU Yue

2019 - ITTF Challenge, Croatia Open, Zagreb (CRO)               340
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, German Open, Bremen (GER)      340
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)          360
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Qatar Open, Doha (QAT)         450
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN)         900
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER) Continental Games         930
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)          1170
2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE)    1220

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2019 - ITTF Challenge Belarus Open (3rd Seed)
2019 - Women's World Cup
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT)
2019 - Team World Cup
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus North American Open, Markham (CAN)
2020 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, German Open
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ZHANG Lily

2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)          270
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR)         330
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Slovenia Open, Otocec (SLO)              425
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Japan Open, Sapporo (JPN)      450
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN)         600
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER) Continental Games         665
2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE)    970
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)          1800

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2019 - ITTF Challenge Belarus Open (8th Seed)
2019 - Women's World Cup
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT)
2019 - Team World Cup
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus North American Open, Markham (CAN)
2020 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, German Open
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Just FYI, the North American Open does not show Lily as having entered yet (Come on, Lily Smile !!).
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Lily didn't play in the German league yesterday because of a foot injury. Will she be fit for the World Cup?
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I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.
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The most likely scenario is both Jeniffer and Lily will lose the first round. So they will get same points. Lily can beat Jeniffer, but not everyone else.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.
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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

The most likely scenario is both Jeniffer and Lily will lose the first round. So they will get same points. Lily can beat Jeniffer, but not everyone else.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.
The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang

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If you said it is true and grouping decided purely by ranking. Then Wu Yue (17) will group with Bernadette(9) and Dina(16),   Lily(18) will group with Adriana (15) and 10 (Jihee).

I remember Lily lost to Adriana recently. I hope lily won. Based on her current level, she has long time to reach next level.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



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Edit: The highest 8 ranked are already seeded.  The ones below have to go through the group stage.

For the first stage (See Prospectus) , there will be a drawing Thursday, Oct. 17 15:30 (Local time, Chengdu) so we shall soon see what the groups will look like.

But Lily is also fully capable of beating Adriana.  She beat Adriana at the ITTF Slovenia Open.  And Lily dominated the Pan Am Championships recently beating Bruna handily.
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If you said it is true and grouping decided purely by ranking. Then Wu Yue (17) will group with Bernadette(9) and Dina(16),   Lily(18) will group with Adriana (15) and 10 (Jihee).

I remember Lily lost to Adriana recently. I hope lily won. Based on her current level, she has long time to reach next level.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



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This is not always true. I think Szocs, Jeon, Solja, Samara and Chen are a level above the rest. Since Lily and Jennifer can't avoid the first 4, it's best if they could avoid Chen, whose group will surely be the toughest..
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



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Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Samara's level has declined from her heyday though still a good player.  I think Lily is capable of beating Szocs.  I'm just not quite sold on Szocs... maybe because of her exaggerated forehand stroke feels like her recovery is slow.  JJ and CSY are definitely a level above.
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

This is not always true. I think Szocs, Jeon, Solja, Samara and Chen are a level above the rest. Since Lily and Jennifer can't avoid the first 4, it's best if they could avoid Chen, whose group will surely be the toughest..
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang

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You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

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True. Don't be too optimistic about that.

But no matter what, Lily Zhang is in driver seat to be in olympics team. Wu Yue will get top ranking seat. Juan Liu will get trial seat if everything is expected in next few months. Lily will be the only reasonable candidate for the third olympic player.

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  



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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Oh yes.  The 3 way tie but losing out in the tie breaker.  Good point.
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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

True. Don't be too optimistic about that.

But no matter what, Lily Zhang is in driver seat to be in olympics team. Wu Yue will get top ranking seat. Juan Liu will get trial seat if everything is expected in next few months. Lily will be the only reasonable candidate for the third olympic player.

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Don't be too sure about that.  Lily has a chance to surpass Wu Yue.  And it's not only important for sealing a spot on the team, but it would make it easier to choose Lily for Singles.
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In terms olympics team, Lily and Jeniffer are almost the olympic spots guaranteed. Juan Liu's chance is not good. Her only chance is in the trial. If she failed, HPD might select Amy Wang. She cannot lose. The only good thing is that she doesn't need to win national men's team.

Here is compliment from interim HPD director after she helped to win north american trial : "We look forward to you winning your 4th Westchester event over the men!"




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Juan Liu is a 2700 level player so I'd say she has a very good chance of winning the trials.  Remember that the trials are in late February so by that time, we'll know the winner of the ranking race so that person won't even need to compete at the Trials.  But let's say Juan Liu does not win the Trials.  Things get complicated.  Remember that World Ranking is just one criteria for discretionary selection:

1. March 2020 ITTF World Ranking
2. Results at the 2020 USATT Olympic Games Trial
3. Results at the 2019 ITTF North American Olympic Team and 2020 ITTF World Team Qualification
4. Competitive international competition results (ITTF events and international leagues) over the period from 18th April 2019 to 31st March 2020
5. Results at National Ranking Tournaments over the period from 18th April 2019 to 31st March 2020
6. Declaration of participation in future Olympic Games preparation camps and competitions and training per Section 9 of this document.

There's the question of how well did she do against the other candidate for that 3rd spot in the Trials (Item 2).  Not much to say about Item 3.... it was a blowout.  Item 4 is where Juan loses out because she doesn't play internationally.... though she will be playing in the ITTF North American Challenge Plus event in December (yay!).  Item 5 is her strength... she won this year's 2nd Adult NRT handily. So it's not a given that she won't make the team if she doesn't win the Trials.

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In terms olympics team, Lily and Jeniffer are almost the olympic spots guaranteed. Juan Liu's chance is not good. Her only chance is in the trial. If she failed, HPD might select Amy Wang. She cannot lose.
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I think the selections for the NA Olympic Team qualifiers say a lot about where the players stand.  I think had Mo Zhang played, the US might have lined up the players differently.  But Amy Wang and Nick Tio not playing in those matches is a realistic indication of what the Olympic team is shaping up to look like.  The question IMO is whether Nikhil can play singles over Xin Zhou.
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It is a question whether Nikhil can beat Zhou Xin, however there are many other players in the mix.  It is not an obvious conclusion that those two are going to beat Jishan, Jack Wang, Team Alguetti, Tom Feng, Nick Tio, Victor or a whole host of players some of which might be flying under the radar.  Are Ma Jinbao or Chen RuiChao eligible?  Tao Wenzhang?

Looking at the top 25 list and checking off "eligible for National/Olympic team" there are lots of people on that list that have a realistic chance of making the team if there are trials. 
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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

It is a question whether Nikhil can beat Zhou Xin, however there are many other players in the mix.  It is not an obvious conclusion that those two are going to beat Jishan, Jack Wang, Team Alguetti, Tom Feng, Nick Tio, Victor or a whole host of players some of which might be flying under the radar.  Are Ma Jinbao or Chen RuiChao eligible?  Tao Wenzhang?

Looking at the top 25 list and checking off "eligible for National/Olympic team" there are lots of people on that list that have a realistic chance of making the team if there are trials. 

I watched the Westchester ranking tournament in person.  Xin Zhou was a clear class above everyone else.  Let the other players declare eligibility but the field is not as wide as you think it is.  There are really 3 or 4 players in the mix.
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One thing I'm wondering is how will the seeding be done in the Olympic Trials.  I've been noticing official USATT elite events moved toward using world ranking for seeding.  This could mean that Juan Liu could be in the same half as the top ranked player so that top ranked player may be ousted early and that could affect how that ousted player is viewed because one of the discretionary selection criteria is how well you did at the Olympic Trials. I think the seeding should be done based on USATT rating imho.
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Both Lily and Yue have pretty decent draws:

GROUP A
1   SZOCS Bernadette
2   DIAZ Adriana
3   ZHANG Lily

GROUP D
1   SAMARA Elizabeta
2   ZHANG Mo
3   WU Yue

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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

One thing I'm wondering is how will the seeding be done in the Olympic Trials.  I've been noticing official USATT elite events moved toward using world ranking for seeding.  This could mean that Juan Liu could be in the same half as the top ranked player so that top ranked player may be ousted early and that could affect how that ousted player is viewed because one of the discretionary selection criteria is how well you did at the Olympic Trials. I think the seeding should be done based on USATT rating imho.

I found my answer if anyone's interested:

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Lily played the match of her life and takes out Miu Hirano!  She was on fire and there's was nothing HM could do.  She was matching HM speed for speed.  HM had to make ridiculous shots to score points.  Lily had the power advantage and even showed a couple of fishing winners.  

Wu Yue did well getting to the main draw, but loses in the 1st round to Sofia Polcanova.  

There's a 255 point difference between R16 and QF so Lily now takes the lead in the ranking race.

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now Lily got a medal for World Cup. Is she secured to go to Tokyo?
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

now Lily got a medal for World Cup. Is she secured to go to Tokyo?

No medal yet - there's a match for 3rd place.
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Technically, no.  Wu Yue lost in R16 which is worth 1020.  Lily, right now gets a minimum of 1530 points if she finishes 4th and the points increase from there:

Women's World Cup points:
Winner              2550
Runner-Up           1915
3rd position        1660
4th position        1530 <-- Minimum points Lily will get
Quarter-finalist    1275
Loser in Rnd of 16  1020 <-- Wu Yue's points

And there are some more tournaments ahead.  But unless she gets seriously injured and physically cannot go to Tokyo, there is no way she does not go to the Olympics.  So the most likely scenario is that Lily wins the ranking race and earns a spot, Juan Liu wins the Olympic Trials and earns the 2nd spot, and Wu Yue will probably earn the 3rd spot through discretionary selection.
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USA Women's WR Race for Top Spot by Feb. 2020. Amazing performance by Lily. I got to read her write-up regarding her 4 Gold medals in the Pan Am Championships the day before her wins against Hirano and Polcanova. http://www.joola.us/2019/09/panamericanchampionships-lily-zhang/?fbclid=IwAR2FiSZMGQbcDqf0fleJkhzvF9AdNILTmryWAy7qTWrv_lCPxzlhc8_RlOo

She doubted her choice in going pro after her loss to Amy, but I'm sure this performance clears any doubts that she made the right decision. She's looking like a favorite for the singles spot in Tokyo, but we'll see how the rest of the tournaments play out.

On a side note, it looks like the USA Olympic Trials is going to be round-robin, so seeding/WR won't really matter for the tournament. I'm glad USATT went this route over a single elimination knockout, which is more prone to fluke results.
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Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
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The funny thing is that Lily's World Cup performance makes the US a dark horse for the team medal at the Olympics.  This will get interesting. 
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are her college studies still suspended with a project to go back or is it just a thing of the past now? 
Anyway the decisions taken are the good ones apparently Clap 


Edited by stiltt - 10/20/2019 at 10:06pm
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