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    Posted: 10/03/2019 at 8:52am
Anyone know roughly how strong the leagues are in Korea?.

Division 1 in particular would be of interest. 

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You really do not have leagues in the sense that you understand them from your area, region, or country.

Korean amateur players on the top end are surprisingly weak compared to USA and USA is not exactly a juggernaut of TT in the world. This is because pro trained kids from the school or top secret national training programs are not allowed to play vs regular amateurs in tourneys... it would be so unfair.

Koreans use divisions for city/regional which are for all intents and purposes similar.

I can explain it in USATT level, so you would need to watch enough vids of USA players to really know... also, most Koreans play a rally style hard hitting longer rally kind of game so the vids look all different.

Divisions for national tourneys are way different, if you are Div 1 City, you MIGHT be Div 3 national or Div 4. So many ringers there.

Div 0 and Div MUNS 1... too good for Div 1 and rating range is 2300-2400+ USATT level
Div 1 - wide range of play levels, maybe 3-4 levels there... 2000-2300 USATT
Div 2 - 1800-2000ish USATT
Div 3 - 1700-1900ish USATT
Div 4 - 1300-1800ish USATT
Div 5 - 1000-1400ish USATT
Hope Division - not good enough to be USATT 1000, usually newbs still taking a few lessons to learn a few basics.

Almost all the time you see a 2+1+1 handicap system used in matches... First level of difference get 2 points, then 1 for each additional level of difference... so if you are...

Div 1 and play a Div 3 player, you cough up 3 handicap points per game.
Div 1 and play a Div 5 player, you cough up 5 handicap points (2+1+1+1)

Div 1 national level in national open amateur tourneys is a whole new deal... that is for USATT 2300-2500 level players. That would be the bottom to lower middle of England 100. If the player was pro-trained, then they can only compete in the former pro-player division... that is where the city hall players (2600+) and former pros play (2700+) This class of player can never play vs a non-pro in amateur TT tourneys.

Many club owners in Korea were former pros or where on or contenders for the national team... or made it to city hall semi-pro teams. So, if you challenge a club owner when they are no giving lessons and they have the energy, you can play vs them in the club... as a foreign visitor, the club members would encourage the coach to play a match vs you if you are Div 2 or above level in their system. They wanna see you lose to coach... then go on a thunder run on the town of beer and cooked chicken after the TT.

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You might see a local club once a week or once a month do something like a league... usually it is a club member only mini-tourney with divisions and handicap... 1st two places get a new rubber, 3rd gets match balls, usually 10,000 won to get in (USD 10), usually very fun.

Better than that are the impromptu Chicken and beer round robin gamess. How it works is later in the evening you suggest a round robin of 5-6 players... everyone plays each other handicap rules...

Place 1 eats for FREE
Place 2 pays 15,000 won
Place 3 pays 25,000 won
Place 4 pays 35,000 won

and so on... you get the idea it is better to finish first and avoid last place, biggest financial hit. After the RR, everyone goes out to a chicken and beer place and throws down a feast of EPIC proportions that is utter LEGEND.

There is also the "Man-Won BBANG" which means 10,000 won or bust. You get a group of players to toss in 10,000 won each into the kitty, play a RR, then 1st place gets ALL the kitty - everyone else gets ZERO. Bbang is Korean slang for nadda - zero -zilch -nuddin'... you get the idea.

If you suggest this, the Man-Won Bbang… the Koreans will be very wary and careful of you... you almost have to be coy in asking how it works and wait for a macho dude not as good as his manliness to open the ball for that.
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The competition and fighting spirit in those two events at any club are WAY more competitive than a real tourney... which is already pretty damn competitive and loud.

Koreans like being loud together playing TT and will absolutely LOVE you if you roll like them in that regard. (show a lot of enthusiasm, smile, laugh out loud, cheer/support your team or fav player strongly)

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A few HUGE clubs may have something similar to a real league... Korea Gym TTC near Amsa station is one of those, they have an elite league of you are a division 1 player.

There may still be a Daum TTA meetup that is like a random draw even spread team vs vs team comp that has prizes. You show up, some team captains from Div 1 are selected, then players from Div 1, then Div 2, then Div 3, etc get evenly dran and distributed to the teams evenly and you play a round robin group then play off team vs team format for prizes of rubbers and balls... then of course go out on the town to eat a feast and raise some ruckas.
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Been training in the high school with some pretty good players so far and definitely been raising some hell here and there having some great times, food and meeting some really good people!! 😊 





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The good high school players are 2500 usatt. They would easily crack England 100. Koreans know how to have a good time, you prolly saw it ur first day.
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It's great training to be honest to see that strong play. Everything is quicker, faster and better 😊 Definitely wasn't winning I'm not one of those people who would imply that its about getting the best training and  best fun. 👍 
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One of our founding Korea Foreign TTA players (now a fashion model) was Div 3 national level, then for a few months trained with a GIRL's High School team... then that dude started winning national open tourneys in Div 1... Prolly gained 3-4 levels in those months, got friends with RSM, and did a lot of TT hustle games for chicken and dumplings.

If a player is fringe Div 1 city and can train 6 months with a HS team of any gender, that player will likely be a middle average to strong Div 1 player after those months.

Even just an average amateur player, if they were to hang out in Korea for 6 months would have a huge chance to improve, and if not, at least have the time of their life and get numerous life long friends out of the deal.
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what is the deal then,...........with communication ? no problems with the english language ?
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I'm here with some very  good friends who speak Korean.

Language isn't a massive problem on the table really and the great thing is people really help so not been too many times when I've been really stuck. A few but not many. 
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

One of our founding Korea Foreign TTA players (now a fashion model) was Div 3 national level, then for a few months trained with a GIRL's High School team... then that dude started winning national open tourneys in Div 1... Prolly gained 3-4 levels in those months, got friends with RSM, and did a lot of TT hustle games for chicken and dumplings.

If a player is fringe Div 1 city and can train 6 months with a HS team of any gender, that player will likely be a middle average to strong Div 1 player after those months.

Even just an average amateur player, if they were to hang out in Korea for 6 months would have a huge chance to improve, and if not, at least have the time of their life and get numerous life long friends out of the deal.

It's about just that meeting good people, trying to train hard and improve to a better level. Oh and eat drink and generally have a good time. 

By the end of the trip if I'm sharp and hitting the ball nicely that's a win, win win for me. Seeing friends I made last time I was here is important as well. 



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Yup, you try for that and you gunna get that for sure.

If you want, give a visit to Korea Gym TTC near Amsa stn. Always a lot of good players there. They still might do RR type tourneys there on weekends still.
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Cheers for that I'll do my best to come over and hit some balls and raise some glasses with you 👍

Edit - may not after all I've just been told  😭 we are out of Seoul day after tomorrow and catching up with some other players where we started.

If I can I will definitely 


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