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    Posted: 10/06/2019 at 8:01am
I have been playing with T64 for 3 years now. 

Need something:
47 degree
Grippy toopsheet which bites and lifts the ball easily
A touch slower (as I am switching to a faster blade)
Higher and shorter arc
Same lightweight, 45g for 1.9mm cut to BTY head

I have shortlisted Q5 as of now, any other suggestions would be welcome.
Nothing from BTY please.

I mostly open and loop from the BH side. Occasional blocks and very few pushes. I don't have a USATT rating now, but 2-3 few years ago, I was around 2000-2050.

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Xiom Omega Pro 7 is a good choice - soft topsheet which bites ball very easily, lots of the direct feeling of T64 but slightly slower, not quite as high arc as T05 but still plenty spinny, reasonably lightweight. 
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gewo hype kr is a 47degree rubber with grippy topsheet. I think its a bit slower  than  t64. Arc is higher. 
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Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

Xiom Omega Pro 7 is a good choice - soft topsheet which bites ball very easily
I have tried it in 2.1, it weighed 48.4g cut to my blade. Although the topsheet was grippy, it did not bite the ball at lesser impact.


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tibhar elp , donic bluestorm z2
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Originally posted by Jackcerry Jackcerry wrote:

tibhar elp , donic bluestorm z2



its not 47 deg
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Nittaaku Fastarc G1. Bites the ball better, higher throw, little slower and spinnier and 46 grams.
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is Mima Ito still playing with G-1?
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Nittaaku Fastarc G1. Bites the ball better, higher throw, little slower and spinnier and 46 grams.
mine in 2.0 (max thickness) are 50 or 51g. I suppose the 46g weight is for the 1.8mm.
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Gold Arc 8
Rosewood V FL

Thibar EL-P MAX FH

Rozena MAX BH


Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Gold Arc 8
Is take topsheet of GA8 grippy? Coming from T64 I am worried I will find it not as grippy.
Does someone know the weight of GA8 2mm or Aurus Prime 2.1mm Black?


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I weighed a 2.0mm black GoldArc 8 at 70g uncut, 50g cut to 150x157mm. Grippy but not light.
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Originally posted by hangdog hangdog wrote:

I weighed a 2.0mm black GoldArc 8 at 70g uncut, 50g cut to 150x157mm. Grippy but not light.
That is crazy heavy.
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I'd say Andro Hexer Powergrip but that one is also ~70g uncut (max). Maybe it's a little lighter with a thinner sponge but I can't check unfortunately. 
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I thought Gold Arc was available in 2.1mm only.  Which hardness is this, the 47.5º or the 50º?

I use GA8/50 2.1mm (also black), and recall it weighing just over 70g uncut and just under 50g cut to 157x150.
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I suppose the Q5 will be a safer bet. Thanks
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Try Vega Asia.

47.5 degrees, grippy topsheet, 42g cut to Stiga Clipper. Topsheet was softer than T64, but plays in the same spectrum.
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Originally posted by lasta lasta wrote:

Try Vega Asia.

47.5 degrees, grippy topsheet, 42g cut to Stiga Clipper. Topsheet was softer than T64, but plays in the same spectrum.
Hi lasta,
When I tried vega  asia I thought it was 50d and I found it very hard to use for my level. I do like 47.5 (r47, g-1 etc...) a lot and I was surprised vega asia was only 2.5d higher in hardness, it felt so much more. Maybe you wanted to recommend vega pro (in 1.8mm) Wink?


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I have T64 on a darker 7p-2a.7t backhand, and I like it. But that’s a blade I play just for fun (999 999t FH, I had 64 on another FH and didn’t like it so I put it there to not go to waste.. definitely feels wrong pairing a 70$ rubber with a 5$ one, but I enjoy the setup immensely). My main blades are a viscaria and another butterfly called supremespeed- both with Vega japan on the backhand. By far my favorite BH rubber. As you can tell I’m a bit of an EJ, but I just like all my blades for different reasons.. anyway even with the bug, I don’t really care for the thought venturing elsewhere for a BH rubber. I’ve had more people ask about what I’m using on my backhand than anything, and I play penhold. (My fourth and final blade is a stiga emerald and I got the rasanter r47 for the BH because the colors matched, and I like that a lot as well. I don’t feel the need to try it on the starter blades though, just because I like the VJ too much.)

My take on VJs qualities: I wouldn’t say the spin is tenergy level, but the hinoki on my darker is naturally going to give more spin soo I cant really say either way. Rbp needs a higher throw since our stroke isn’t as wide, so it fits that trait perfectly imo. One thing I like about it more than tenergy is, that while it isn’t as explosive in a quick/not fully set block, I’m definitely able to really rip it without fear of launching it- which ends up making it faster in the end, for me.. if that makes sense. And it’s strongest point, imo, is the touch/push game. The spin and ease of placement can be brutal on serve returns. As for the bite, I don’t understand when people say less sponge equals more control- especially so in the BH. I don’t want to feel the wood unless I’m smashing. I play Chinese on my forehand so the brushloop swing just makes more sense to me than the tenergy- hit through the sponge- type swing. So the mentality, for me,  is similar for the rpb. I need something that allows me to punch/block, but also give enough dwell when going for a loop or flick. I think the rasanters (50 for a FH and 47 for BH) are especially great for this with their beefy sponges, but the Vega japan is great too (max). For reference, I recently removed a sheet of Xiom Omega 7 Asia from the stiga FH because it was just annoyingly fast. Like I could smash points away, but all the strokes were muuuch shorter and less satisfying. Any full armed loop would just rocket strait onto my side of the of the table- something I don’t find find in the r50 @FH. Maybe one day I’ll try it on a BH because the punch blocks could be deadly... So all that to give some reference- overall I’d say both are very grippy (VJ/r47) and I don’t see how they wouldn’t fit what you’re looking for.
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Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

I thought Gold Arc was available in 2.1mm only.  Which hardness is this, the 47.5º or the 50º?

I use GA8/50 2.1mm (also black), and recall it weighing just over 70g uncut and just under 50g cut to 157x150.

47.5°, 2.0mm.
You can see the available thicknesses at some online vendors, such as TT11.
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no G1 is 46 47 grams max
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Tenergy 05 Max FH
Tenergy 64 Max BH
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Andro Rasanter V47 -R47, 2.1-max(uncut 66-69g)
Gewo nexxus el 48 - 2.1-max (необрезанный 66-70 г)
1.9 - weight will be lighter




Edited by vittiv - 10/09/2019 at 5:17pm
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729 Presto SPIN max. I’m currently playing with 44 degree sponge on my backhand. Topsheet is natural rubber and very grippy, non-tacky. 
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