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Looks to me like the blade wasn't clamped properly when the cut was made, and it moved during cutting. Although I doubt it would affect play significantly, I agree it should have been rejected.
As other have suggested, the handle pieces might have been attached before an inspection was done, making it impossible to see.
Nittaku has always had a good reputation, and I think they would care about issues like this and will try to resolve it, so personally i would try and contact them, or get the get the supplier to contact them.
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Yes all your posts are relevant, but why we don't see these discrepancies in a butterfly blade for example. I can understand a low quality manufacturers and cheap blades making mistakes. But this is nittaku high end blades the string instruments material that cost 4 time more any competition.
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You have a sample of one bad Nittaku - even though you posted three pictures of that one sample.  You need more samples in order to generalize about Nittaku quality.  Maybe others can report their blade dimensions and a better conclusion can be derived.  Also, does Nittaku publish any technical specs?  I was unable to find anything that suggested what the expected tolerances should be.

If it were my blade and I was concerned, I'd email Nittaku explaining my concerns.

When Nittaku started selling re-labeled DHS 40+ non-celluloid balls under the Nittaku brand  I did just that. I sent an email to them explaining how the good Nittaku shouldn't be put on such crappy balls.  Their response was a very "corporate", "thank you for you concern/interest", email. Their reputation went down a notch with me after that.  OTOH, they did some really nice work finally creating their own ball.  So I wouldn't throw them under the bus without first giving them a chance to explain.
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

You have a sample of one bad Nittaku - even though you posted three pictures of that one sample.  You need more samples in order to generalize about Nittaku quality.  Maybe others can report their blade dimensions and a better conclusion can be derived.  Also, does Nittaku publish any technical specs?  I was unable to find anything that suggested what the expected tolerances should be.

If it were my blade and I was concerned, I'd email Nittaku explaining my concerns.

When Nittaku started selling re-labeled DHS 40+ non-celluloid balls under the Nittaku brand  I did just that. I sent an email to them explaining how the good Nittaku shouldn't be put on such crappy balls.  Their response was a very "corporate", "thank you for you concern/interest", email. Their reputation went down a notch with me after that.  OTOH, they did some really nice work finally creating their own ball.  So I wouldn't throw them under the bus without first giving them a chance to explain.

How do you know the balls were re labeled?
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

You have a sample of one bad Nittaku - even though you posted three pictures of that one sample.  You need more samples in order to generalize about Nittaku quality.  Maybe others can report their blade dimensions and a better conclusion can be derived.  Also, does Nittaku publish any technical specs?  I was unable to find anything that suggested what the expected tolerances should be.

If it were my blade and I was concerned, I'd email Nittaku explaining my concerns.

When Nittaku started selling re-labeled DHS 40+ non-celluloid balls under the Nittaku brand  I did just that. I sent an email to them explaining how the good Nittaku shouldn't be put on such crappy balls.  Their response was a very "corporate", "thank you for you concern/interest", email. Their reputation went down a notch with me after that.  OTOH, they did some really nice work finally creating their own ball.  So I wouldn't throw them under the bus without first giving them a chance to explain.

How do you know the balls were re labeled?

I wasn't 100% sure that they were DHS, but considering the limited number of cell free 40+ ball manufacturers in existence and that Nittaku clearly labelled them as being made in China and considering how they played and broke, it was a good bet.  But it really doesn't matter if they were made by DHS or not.  What mattered was that they were crap compared to Nittaku celluloid balls. 



Edited by wturber - 01/30/2020 at 10:16am
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OP had so many ways he could go with his post, and simply comes across very poorly.

We have 1 bad blade, and whilst questions should be asked, too many strong conclusions about their processes.
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

You have a sample of one bad Nittaku - even though you posted three pictures of that one sample.  You need more samples in order to generalize about Nittaku quality.  Maybe others can report their blade dimensions and a better conclusion can be derived.  Also, does Nittaku publish any technical specs?  I was unable to find anything that suggested what the expected tolerances should be.

If it were my blade and I was concerned, I'd email Nittaku explaining my concerns.

When Nittaku started selling re-labeled DHS 40+ non-celluloid balls under the Nittaku brand  I did just that. I sent an email to them explaining how the good Nittaku shouldn't be put on such crappy balls.  Their response was a very "corporate", "thank you for you concern/interest", email. Their reputation went down a notch with me after that.  OTOH, they did some really nice work finally creating their own ball.  So I wouldn't throw them under the bus without first giving them a chance to explain.

How do you know the balls were re labeled?

I wasn't 100% sure that they were DHS, but considering the limited number of cell free 40+ ball manufacturers in existence and that Nittaku clearly labelled them as being made in China and considering how they played and broke, it was a good bet.  But it really doesn't matter if they were made by DHS or not.  What mattered was that they were crap compared to Nittaku celluloid balls. 


My former coach told me that 38mm 3 star nittaku balls were made by DHS 
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

You have a sample of one bad Nittaku - even though you posted three pictures of that one sample.  You need more samples in order to generalize about Nittaku quality.  Maybe others can report their blade dimensions and a better conclusion can be derived.  Also, does Nittaku publish any technical specs?  I was unable to find anything that suggested what the expected tolerances should be.

If it were my blade and I was concerned, I'd email Nittaku explaining my concerns.

When Nittaku started selling re-labeled DHS 40+ non-celluloid balls under the Nittaku brand  I did just that. I sent an email to them explaining how the good Nittaku shouldn't be put on such crappy balls.  Their response was a very "corporate", "thank you for you concern/interest", email. Their reputation went down a notch with me after that.  OTOH, they did some really nice work finally creating their own ball.  So I wouldn't throw them under the bus without first giving them a chance to explain.

How do you know the balls were re labeled?

I wasn't 100% sure that they were DHS, but considering the limited number of cell free 40+ ball manufacturers in existence and that Nittaku clearly labelled them as being made in China and considering how they played and broke, it was a good bet.  But it really doesn't matter if they were made by DHS or not.  What mattered was that they were crap compared to Nittaku celluloid balls. 


My former coach told me that 38mm 3 star nittaku balls were made by DHS 


Some were.  But they also sold balls that clearly stated "Made in Japan" that were not the same as the DHS-made ones (and they were better).  Nittaku has long had some business relationships with DHS, to this day.  I guess they don't have enough production capacity to meet demand if they rely just on their Japanese facilities.  Like wturber says, though, it sucks that they put their name on inferior stuff.  In only buy their stuff that is made in Japan.  Makes me wonder about the OP's blade though.


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Putting this post surely got the attention of nittaku, and I think from now they will handle every blade carefully especially the string instrument blades. We got to wait for the new batch to come out in order to buy again from nittaku.
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Putting this post surely got the attention of nittaku, and I think from now they will handle every blade carefully especially the string instrument blades. We got to wait for the new batch to come out in order to buy again from nittaku.

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This revelation is alarming especially when one considers the retail value of $165 USD.  The odds are that there are other Violins just like this one.
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One problem I have with Nittaku blade is the weight. I have several barwell fleet blades, and their weights range from 80g-97g. This is bad even for any manufacture.
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The weight tolerance of their blades can be good or bad depending on if you specify weight.  You can get just about any of their blades in 80-95g LOL
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It is hard to justify the consistence of blades that weight 20 g apart.
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It almost leads me to believe they air dry all their stuff instead of kiln dry.

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The weight difference is not a good sign. Especially on carbon blades. For wood only it may be justified on a +- 5 grams. But for carbon it is +-3 grams max.
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