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    Posted: 03/24/2020 at 7:50pm
I would like to ask for advice regarding the following short pips: TSP Spectol Blue, Victas VO > 301, VO > 101, VO > 103

Currently, I use a Tibhar Speedy Soft in 1.5 for practicing defense and I like it a lot more than the Super Spinpips Chop I had previously. It was too slow for chopping and impossible to attack with over the table because of its slowness.

What I enjoy about the Tibhar is that I can vary the spin on off the table chops and when I do have to come in, I am able to keep the ball low with it and even vary the spin on pushes. Service receive is also better with it for my taste.

My problem with the Tibhar is that the sponge under it is not the modern porous sponge and therefore it limits my options a little and also I feel I could gain more control with a modern short pip.

In terms of thickness, I am looking to get 1.6, anything thicker is out of the question. As for sponge hardness, I perfer the harder ones, 45 degrees and up.

My purpose is to vary the spin from close to the table while maintaining the possibility of counterattacks whenever possible so I am looking to get some disturbing effect from the pips. When chopping away from the table, I do not need strong spin reversal but the most possible amount of control.

For example, it looks like Han Ying has been using the Spectol Blue for at least two years now, I want to emulate her kind of game. I could also say Hou Yingchao.
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my advice: get a test set from one of the big shops in germany, contra, schöler-micke, or maybe sport schreiner and test whatever of those is available. when it gets this specific, only testing things for yourself will get you foward quickly.
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Those pips are all meant for offensive play. Among them VO>101 is the most disruptive and causes a lot of damage. 
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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I would like to ask for advice regarding the following short pips: TSP Spectol Blue, Victas VO > 301, VO > 101, VO > 103

Currently, I use a Tibhar Speedy Soft in 1.5 for practicing defense and I like it a lot more than the Super Spinpips Chop I had previously. It was too slow for chopping and impossible to attack with over the table because of its slowness.

What I enjoy about the Tibhar is that I can vary the spin on off the table chops and when I do have to come in, I am able to keep the ball low with it and even vary the spin on pushes. Service receive is also better with it for my taste.

My problem with the Tibhar is that the sponge under it is not the modern porous sponge and therefore it limits my options a little and also I feel I could gain more control with a modern short pip.

In terms of thickness, I am looking to get 1.6, anything thicker is out of the question. As for sponge hardness, I perfer the harder ones, 45 degrees and up.

My purpose is to vary the spin from close to the table while maintaining the possibility of counterattacks whenever possible so I am looking to get some disturbing effect from the pips. When chopping away from the table, I do not need strong spin reversal but the most possible amount of control.

For example, it looks like Han Ying has been using the Spectol Blue for at least two years now, I want to emulate her kind of game. I could also say Hou Yingchao.

I would pick blue since chops more flatter  and has better control than 101 and 103
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Thank you for input guys.

Before the virus reached here, I had already been taken down by the seasonal flu and now that Covid is here, I cannot go anywhere because everything is closed so I cannot do any testing and it looks like I will not have the opportunity for quite a few weeks.

According to the available reviews, the 101 is the most difficult to use while it is the most disturbing pips in the Victas range. If it is closer to Joola Express Ultra it must be a good pip for attacking but when I tested that one it became evident that it is meant for all out attacking and nothing else.

Mykonos made a good point about the flatness which is what I am looking for. With the plastic ball the question is flatness and the ability to handle no-spin balls where long pips put me in a huge disadvantage.

That leaves V > 102 and Spectol Blue.

Could you compare these two in terms of quality and the differences as far as passive play goes. Could it be that the 102 is the premium version of the TSP or are they quite different?
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Originally posted by Sebin78 Sebin78 wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Those pips are all meant for offensive play. 

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

With all due respect I am not sure if Hans understands the very purposes of various types of pips. 

I am not sure of a pro player in recent times who used short pips for chopping. The last one was Ding Song (mid 90s) but I though he won despite that & because his blade seemed freaky.

Any other top players who used short pips for chopping ?  It is almost like using smooth rubber exclusively for chopping. 

Victas is a nasty short pip. I have this player in this area who beats me like 2 & 3 but we are of about same rating. Not sure which type of Victas he uses. When he flat kills hard and I return with a lob aimed right at the ceiling, the ball still goes to the bottom of the table. So dead.  (Therefore most unsuitable for chopping unless as a fake chop) . So frustrating. But I see other players returning this but I am not sure how.        


Think Han Ying, she is doing fine with what seems to be a TSP Spectol Blue.

The reason why I am trying to explore this is that I have grown to prefer short pips defense overlong pips. It is ball type dependent but generally the problem with long pips is that since the plastic ball they have become a serious disadvantage in my club. They start feeding me no spin balls and there is no way on earth that I can get back the first topspin in a way that would stop them from blasting past me the next one.

So for me short pips are the answer because it is easier to keep the ball low from close to the table and it is a lot easier to handle no spin balls.
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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

[QUOTE=Sebin78][QUOTE=ChichoFicho]Those pips are all meant for offensive play. 

So for me short pips are the answer because it is easier to keep the ball low from close to the table and it is a lot easier to handle no spin balls.


Igor Roldugin (see the video below),  European Champion among veterans (50+), uses Spinlord Degu 1.5 mm and Grass dtecs 1.6 mm on Andro Fibercomp Def. He  chops, hits, spins and blocks extremely well with the short pips and he mostly uses them on backhand while the long pips - on the forehand. I played him last year and it was a nightmare.  




Edited by ChichoFicho - 03/26/2020 at 7:03pm
Darker Speed 70

Hammond FA Speed

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