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    Posted: 03/25/2020 at 6:19am
Hi,

Here is the published profile of Dignics 09c.

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DIGNICS guides your play to a more advanced level. 

The essence is the combination of Spring Sponge X, the advanced version of Spring Sponge which has more elasticity; the uniquely composed top sheet, with strengthened abrasion, proves great resistance on the surface, providing the feeling of holding the ball at impact. 

This is even more true with the newest addition to the line, Dignics 09C. Compatible friction and a high level bounce is realised thanks to the synergy effect between the original top sheet and a rather hard Spring Sponge X (a little harder than Tenergy 05 Hard), to bring out the features of a friction rubber while upgrading the High Tension effect. The pimples code No. 209 delivers topspin and defensive play with high amount of spin as well as ease of over-the-table techniques and counter topspin. Dignics 09C, with the upgraded friction High Tension features, guides a player who expects the unique feeling of a friction rubber to new heights. Dignics 09C, Overpowering Evolution. 


  • Surface: Inverted
  • Speed: 13.0
  • Spin: 13.0
  • Hardness: 44

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I can't wait to see some reviews on this.
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I thought it would be interesting to compare the evolution of Butterfly rubbers. I'll admit I'm bored at home.

Order
Name
Surface
Cateogry
Speed
Spin
Hardness
Thickness
1
Sriver
Inverted
Pimples-in Rubber
10.00
8.00
38
1.5, 1.7, 1.9, 2.1, MAX
2
Bryce High Speed
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
14.50
10.30
35
1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 05
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
11.50
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 25
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.00
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 64
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
10.50
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 80
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.25
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
4
Spin Art
Inverted
High Friction High Tension Pimples in
11.90
11.50
48
1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 05 FX
Inverted
Rubber High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
11.50
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 25 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.00
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 64 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
10.50
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 80 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.25
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
6
Dignics 05
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
12.00
40
1.9, 2.1
6
Tenergy 05 Hard
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-In Rubber
13.00
11.50
43
1.9, 2.1
7
Dignics 64
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
14.00
11.00
40
1.9, 2.1
7
Dignics 80
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.75
11.75
40
1.9, 2.1
8
Dignics 09C
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
13.00
44
1.9, 2.1



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I'd like to add that those spin and speed values are simply marketing tactics and I disagree with a lot of it


Edited by GeneralSpecific - 03/25/2020 at 9:37pm
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Also, I don't believe Butterfly's rating of hardness = 48 for Spin Art. I have a sheet of Spin Art and although I've only hit with it a few times, I find it very soft, may 36 or 38?
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

I'd like to add that those spin and speed values are simply marketing tactics and I disagree with a lot of it
My presumption is that Butterfly would be consistent in estimating these numbers across their own rubbers, even though they may not compare to other brands.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

I'd like to add that those spin and speed values are simply marketing tactics and I disagree with a lot of it
My presumption is that Butterfly would be consistent in estimating these numbers across their own rubbers, even though they may not compare to other brands.


That would be incorrect to presume. The most glaring example is that the fx versions of Tenergy have identical values to their originals which is physically impossible. I could go on but to make it simple, these are practically made up magical numbers designed to sell rubbers, not to completely educate the consumer.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

I'd like to add that those spin and speed values are simply marketing tactics and I disagree with a lot of it
My presumption is that Butterfly would be consistent in estimating these numbers across their own rubbers, even though they may not compare to other brands.


That would be incorrect to presume. The most glaring example is that the fx versions of Tenergy have identical values to their originals which is physically impossible. I could go on but to make it simple, these are practically made up magical numbers designed to sell rubbers, not to completely educate the consumer.

GS is correct. 

Originally, the scales that companies used were 1-10. And then the marketing guys saw "This is Spinal Tap".
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

That would be incorrect to presume. The most glaring example is that the fx versions of Tenergy have identical values to their originals which is physically impossible. I could go on but to make it simple, these are practically made up magical numbers designed to sell rubbers, not to completely educate the consumer.
I always understood the numbers to be subjective and highly inaccurate.  But I think they have meaning in terms of broad comparisons or trends (which was the point of my table). Certainly Dignics has more spin than Tenergy, which has more than Bryce or Sriver.  I would also have more faith in their relative claims of hardness, except, as I said originally, for Spin Art.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

But I think they have meaning in terms of broad comparisons or trends (which was the point of my table). Certainly Dignics has more spin than Tenergy, which has more than Bryce or Sriver.


In that example you give, yes. But, I assume you are like me; knowledgeable enough about equipment to know that Tenergy has more spin than Bryce and so on. But that means you also are knowledgeable enough to know that it's physically impossible for the fx versions of Tenergy to have identical values to their originals. Most people don't spend nearly the same amount of time researching equipment that I do, so when they look to the values given to the equipment by Butterfly themselves, they are being mislead. This applies even to comparisons between strictly Butterfly products only.

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I would also have more faith in their relative claims of hardness, except, as I said originally, for Spin Art.


Why would you have this faith if you're literally holding evidence in your hand to the contrary? Butterfly is not very transparent. I would even say that their hardness values aren't so perfect. It's like how if you see 1 cockroach, you likely have an infestation.

I don't trust their values and even if I did I can't properly make sense of whatever made up scales rate a value at "13" without the proper context. I implore anyone reading this that doesn't know the details of the equipment they want to buy to continue doing their homework before placing an order instead of relying on numbers provided by manufacturers doing what they can to take your money.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

That would be incorrect to presume. The most glaring example is that the fx versions of Tenergy have identical values to their originals which is physically impossible. I could go on but to make it simple, these are practically made up magical numbers designed to sell rubbers, not to completely educate the consumer.
I always understood the numbers to be subjective and highly inaccurate.  But I think they have meaning in terms of broad comparisons or trends (which was the point of my table). Certainly Dignics has more spin than Tenergy, which has more than Bryce or Sriver.  I would also have more faith in their relative claims of hardness, except, as I said originally, for Spin Art.

Thank you so much for the table above (we are benefiting from your boredom (sorry)).

It would seem the most value would be in comparing the different rubbers' metrics in looking for something meaningful, which is what the general interest would be.

For me, the comparison that first caught my eye was this: Dignics 05 has a hardness of 40 and a spin factor of 12Dignics 09c is much harder at 44, yet it has a higher spin factor of 13.

Second: Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 05 Hard have the equivalent speed and spin metrics of 13 and 11.50 respectfully, yet the hardness moves from 36 to 43, respectfully.

Lastly: Dignics 05 is slightly higher in speed (13.5) than Dignics 09c (13.0), and Dignics 09c is higher in spin (13 vs 12).

Thank you again.
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You're making this harder than I intended.  When Donn first posted the numbers for D09C, I was interested to see how it would compare with D05.  And even without having seen a sheet of D09C yet, I more or less believe their general expression for D09C is comparatively correct.

The second part was just curiosity.  I wanted to see how the numbers trended over time.  I believe that over time they've mainly gone for more spin and harder sponges, and that's all I was showing.

Of course, the numbers aren't very accurate and I don't really know how they came up with those.  I wouldn't rely on them too much beyond some curiosity.  Plus the fact that I AM STUCK HOME GOING MAD, I TELL YOU, TOTALLY BONKERS.LOL

I've got a freshly glued paddle just waiting for the club to re-open, so I won't be testing D09C any time soon.  It's just fun to talk about the trends.
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isn’t D09c supposed to be a new hybrid of spring sponge and tack surface to compete with Harriman after spin art failed the task?
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I thought it would be interesting to compare the evolution of Butterfly rubbers. I'll admit I'm bored at home.

Order
Name
Surface
Cateogry
Speed
Spin
Hardness
Thickness
1
Sriver
Inverted
Pimples-in Rubber
10.00
8.00
38
1.5, 1.7, 1.9, 2.1, MAX
2
Bryce High Speed
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
14.50
10.30
35
1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 05
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
11.50
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 25
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.00
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 64
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
10.50
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
3
Tenergy 80
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.25
36
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
4
Spin Art
Inverted
High Friction High Tension Pimples in
11.90
11.50
48
1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 05 FX
Inverted
Rubber High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
11.50
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 25 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.00
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 64 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
10.50
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
5
Tenergy 80 FX
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.25
11.25
32
1.7, 1.9, 2.1
6
Dignics 05
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.50
12.00
40
1.9, 2.1
6
Tenergy 05 Hard
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-In Rubber
13.00
11.50
43
1.9, 2.1
7
Dignics 64
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
14.00
11.00
40
1.9, 2.1
7
Dignics 80
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.75
11.75
40
1.9, 2.1
8
Dignics 09C
Inverted
High Tension Pimples-in Rubber
13.00
13.00
44
1.9, 2.1




thanx for posting this. I have been using andro rasanter R47 and bought a sheet of T05hard at Nationals. Way too hard for me. T05 is too soft for my tastes. Looks like D05 or D80 would be more in line with what I may like. (Too much time on my hands to consider these profound differences...)
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