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IanMcg 
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 Topic: Butterfly Aibiss (new rubber)Posted: 02/09/2023 at 7:24pm |
Just in time for the new Glayzer series, hmm
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Posted: 02/09/2023 at 1:24pm |
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Less than 3 years after its release, Aibiss will be discontinued after 2023/2/21.
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/news/product/20230118.html |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Posted: 07/24/2020 at 6:53pm |
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Posted: 07/21/2020 at 9:20pm |
What blade were you using ? |
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Posted: 07/21/2020 at 8:25am |
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its hard to give a comparison. To me it feels like the sponge is around something like MX-P 50 if you want to compare it to Tibhar. It must be the top sheet that makes it feel soft to me.
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Posted: 07/21/2020 at 8:04am |
50 on the Butterfly scale is like 60 or 61 on ESN. So aibiss feels softer than 60°. It is still harder than mx-p or V15. By a lot.
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The actual hardness compared to MXP?
V15 felt soft for me MXP just right .... however both same 47,5 If its 50 does it feels softer during rallies ,really?
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Posted: 07/18/2020 at 8:59pm |
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I played with Aibiss last week. Its actually a really nice rubber and plays softer than its rated. The control and spin were good. My friend boosted it so ill have a hit with it tomorrow boosted. If you like H3 you might not like Aibiss. If you like rubbers like Stiga Genesis or similar hybrids this might be for you. Honestly besides the weight this rubber would be an ideal intermediate player rubber since it will get more balls on the table.
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BRS
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Posted: 07/18/2020 at 7:44pm |
That's too bad. I really like aibiss. I guess if Bty discontinues it I'll have to try SpinArt.
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vik2000
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Posted: 07/18/2020 at 4:38pm |
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This rubber is consistently getting really poor reviews among Japanese TT channels.
Long story short, people say it's one generation behind all the modern tensor or hybrid (tensor + tacky topsheet) rubbers. This rubber basically feels like Sriver + some tacky topsheet. |
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Posted: 07/12/2020 at 9:06am |
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i prefer soft blades. I am a topspinner.
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tabl10s
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Posted: 07/12/2020 at 8:05am |
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I was a pure hitter on the BH and always used 2.5 extra hard. If my timing was off, I'd go down to 1.5 to re-establish form.
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Posted: 07/11/2020 at 4:46pm |
I think it makes a difference only if your impact is really thick and your blade is really hard.
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Posted: 07/11/2020 at 2:23pm |
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Sorry I did not understand very well. You think it’s good to have thicker rubber ? Or bad ?
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NextLevel
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Posted: 07/10/2020 at 9:48am |
I think most people (including some players at a much higher level than myself) overestimate the impact of having thicker rubber on their game once the rubber is above 45 degree hardness and is 1.7mm. But that is just me. I don't hit the ball that hard consistently which may be why I don't get it
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Posted: 07/10/2020 at 9:00am |
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thank you for this news ! Wow it’s really heavy... more than a T05 2,1 whereas it’s 1.9 ... I don’t think I will try it.
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 10:35pm |
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Aibiss in 1.9 weighs 75 gms with the protection sheet on.
Cut it raised the total weight of my setup by 1 gm compared to 2.0 fastarc g1. Happy with that.
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 9:29am |
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4 or 5 more cut. I did not weigh the entire sheet. I saw 4 or 5 because i am using a food scale that only does whole gms.
I have never used a 1.9 rubber. But having tried aibiss on many thousands of balls from a robot I see zero chance that i could ever bottom out the sponge. Honestly I probably could have gone to 1.7. But I don't really want the setup lighter than it was with g1, just the same.
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 7:26am |
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5g more, cut or uncut ? Interested in weight of 1.9 , that’ the thickness I use in backhand.
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 7:24am |
I didn't weigh before, but aibiss in 2.1 weighs 4 or 5 gms more cut than the fastarc g1 2.0 i had on before. I have a sheet of aibiss 1.9 coming Saturday, can weigh that uncut.
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 7:24am |
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why not... but heavy too
And I am not sure I need 80€ rubber for my backhand if I don’t need speed... Edited by gromousse - 07/09/2020 at 7:25am |
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 7:17am |
Why not D09c...
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Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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Posted: 07/09/2020 at 6:10am |
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i am interested in testing the aibiss because even D05 seems to be too bouncy for me. I was ready to return to old classics like Sriver but it’s definitely not spinny enough with plastic ball. Aibiss seems to make the point.
Did somebody look at the weight before cutting ?
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Posted: 07/06/2020 at 11:28am |
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Tried this rubber yesterday on TB ALC with brand new rozena on bh.
Nothing special in short. It’s hard, a little bouncy but not as bouncy as rozena. Good for blocking, pushing, mid distance looping. I had trouble opening up against backspin but mainly due to not playing for a while and me being used to h3 neo on fh. I still think a slightly boosted h3 neo (I use commercial only) is a better performer especially against backspin but Aibiss isn’t a bad rubber. Aibiss feel a little more alive and faster than a non boosted h3 neo. It’s still linear and direct like h3 neo but doesn’t hold the ball in the top sheet like the tacky h3 neo. It’s heavier than h3 neo comm version as well. I’ll keep it, for the price to me it’s a good deal. Quality BTY rubber that will last a while and won’t need boosting. It will probably have a very linear decrease in performance over time. I think Aibiss + Rozena combo is a great value for anyone that likes dignics/Tenergy but doesn’t want to pay premium for those rubbers. Especially if you are u2000 this combo might be all you ever need on an ALC blade.
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Posted: 07/02/2020 at 8:14am |
This makes sense. Whatever criticisms people say about Butterfly, being bad at marketing is not usually one of them. Aibiss may not be intended for the european market at all where a) nobody plays chinese rubber b) they can get you to pay €90 for dignics fx Perhaps Bty has noticed an uptick in Japanese players buying the Nittaku-branded DHS stuff. That would explain the pricing if they want to have an affordable substitute for chinese rubber in the Japanese market.
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Posted: 07/02/2020 at 3:19am |
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Based on some feedback I've seen on Chinese forums it seems that they don't like it either haha...
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Posted: 07/02/2020 at 2:44am |
+1  . |
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Posted: 07/02/2020 at 2:14am |
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Nobody in europe will use this rubber, i think butterfly is focusing on the asian market.
For europe we will have the dignics fx in november or in 2021
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Posted: 07/01/2020 at 7:40pm |
Hmm not sure about Nittaku versions. You should really give the DHS blue sponge provincial hurricane neo a try.Based on your description I think you will really like it. Very linear with huge spin.Short game control is super easy and good, and opening loops are very easy too...I use the 39 deg sponge which I think is the sweet spot for me....
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Posted: 07/01/2020 at 10:01am |
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The only blue sponge h3 i ever used was the nittaku pro turbo blue. Except for the weight and ridiculously hard sponge the two have nothing in common. NH3PTB was very catapulty, in an unoredictable way. Aibiss is not like that at all.
Not having used commercial or any H3 neo I can't say if it would be better. I like aibiss and will probably switch to it. But as noted, I don't expect much company. For one thing I never go back from the table (or not on purpose anyway), and most people seem to love that.
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