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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

its hard to give a comparison. To me it feels like the sponge is around something like MX-P 50 if you want to compare it to Tibhar.  It must be the top sheet that makes it feel soft to me. 

What blade were you using ?

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its hard to give a comparison. To me it feels like the sponge is around something like MX-P 50 if you want to compare it to Tibhar.  It must be the top sheet that makes it feel soft to me. 
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Originally posted by fzolesz fzolesz wrote:

The actual hardness compared to MXP?
V15 felt soft for me 
MXP just right

.... however both same 47,5

If its 50 does it feels softer during rallies ,really? 

50 on the Butterfly scale is like 60 or 61 on ESN.  So aibiss feels softer than 60°.  It is still harder than mx-p or V15.  By a lot.  
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The actual hardness compared to MXP?
V15 felt soft for me 
MXP just right

.... however both same 47,5

If its 50 does it feels softer during rallies ,really? 
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I played with Aibiss last week. Its actually a really nice rubber and plays softer than its rated. The control and spin were good. My friend boosted it so ill have a hit with it tomorrow boosted. If you like H3 you might not like Aibiss. If you like rubbers like Stiga Genesis or similar hybrids this might be for you. Honestly besides the weight this rubber would be an ideal intermediate player rubber since it will get more balls on the table. 
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Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

This rubber is consistently getting really poor reviews among Japanese TT channels. 

Long story short, people say it's one generation behind all the modern tensor or hybrid (tensor + tacky topsheet) rubbers. This rubber basically feels like Sriver + some tacky topsheet.

That's too bad.  I really like aibiss.  I guess if Bty discontinues it I'll have to try SpinArt.
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This rubber is consistently getting really poor reviews among Japanese TT channels. 

Long story short, people say it's one generation behind all the modern tensor or hybrid (tensor + tacky topsheet) rubbers. This rubber basically feels like Sriver + some tacky topsheet.


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i prefer soft blades. I am a topspinner.
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I was a pure hitter on the BH and always used 2.5 extra hard. If my timing was off, I'd go down to 1.5 to re-establish form. 
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Originally posted by gromousse gromousse wrote:

Sorry I did not understand very well. You think it’s good to have thicker rubber ? Or bad ?

I think it makes a difference only if your impact is really thick and your blade is really hard.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Sorry I did not understand very well. You think it’s good to have thicker rubber ? Or bad ?
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Originally posted by gromousse gromousse wrote:

thank you for this news ! Wow it’s really heavy... more than a T05 2,1 whereas it’s 1.9 ... I don’t think I will try it.

I think most people (including some players at a much higher level than myself) overestimate the impact of having thicker rubber on their game once the rubber is above 45 degree hardness and is 1.7mm.  But that is just me.  I don't hit the ball that hard consistently which may be why I don't get it 
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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thank you for this news ! Wow it’s really heavy... more than a T05 2,1 whereas it’s 1.9 ... I don’t think I will try it.
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Aibiss in 1.9 weighs 75 gms with the protection sheet on.

Cut it raised the total weight of my setup by 1 gm compared to 2.0 fastarc g1.  Happy with that.
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4 or 5 more cut.  I did not weigh the entire sheet.  I saw 4 or 5 because i am using a food scale that only does whole gms. 

I have never used a 1.9 rubber.  But having tried aibiss on many thousands of balls from a robot I see zero chance that i could ever bottom out the sponge.  Honestly I probably could have gone to 1.7.  But I don't really want the setup lighter than it was with g1, just the same.
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5g more, cut or uncut ? Interested in weight of 1.9 , that’ the thickness I use in backhand.
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Originally posted by gromousse gromousse wrote:

Did somebody look at the weight before cutting ?

I didn't weigh before, but aibiss in 2.1 weighs 4 or 5 gms more cut than the fastarc g1 2.0 i had on before.  

I have a sheet of aibiss 1.9 coming Saturday, can weigh that uncut.
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why not... but heavy too
And I am not sure I need 80€ rubber for my backhand if I don’t need speed...


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Originally posted by gromousse gromousse wrote:

i am interested in testing the aibiss because even D05 seems to be too bouncy for me. I was ready to return to old classics like Sriver but it’s definitely not spinny enough with plastic ball. Aibiss seems to make the point.
Did somebody look at the weight before cutting ?

Why not D09c...
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i am interested in testing the aibiss because even D05 seems to be too bouncy for me. I was ready to return to old classics like Sriver but it’s definitely not spinny enough with plastic ball. Aibiss seems to make the point.
Did somebody look at the weight before cutting ?
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Tried this rubber yesterday on TB ALC with brand new rozena on bh.

Nothing special in short. 

It’s hard, a little bouncy but not as bouncy as rozena. Good for blocking, pushing, mid distance looping.

I had trouble opening up against backspin but mainly due to not playing for a while and me being used to h3 neo on fh. I still think a slightly boosted h3 neo (I use commercial only) is a better performer especially against backspin but Aibiss isn’t a bad rubber.

Aibiss feel a little more alive and faster than a non boosted h3 neo. It’s still linear and direct like h3 neo but doesn’t hold the ball in the top sheet like the tacky h3 neo. 

It’s heavier than h3 neo comm version as well.

I’ll keep it, for the price to me it’s a good deal. Quality BTY rubber that will last a while and won’t need boosting. It will probably have a very linear decrease in performance over time.

I think Aibiss + Rozena combo is a great value for anyone that likes dignics/Tenergy but doesn’t want to pay premium for those rubbers. Especially if you are u2000 this combo might be all you ever need on an ALC blade.
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Originally posted by timoboll89 timoboll89 wrote:

Nobody in europe will use this rubber, i think butterfly is focusing on the asian market. 
For europe we will have the dignics fx in november or in 2021

This makes sense.  

Whatever criticisms people say about Butterfly, being bad at marketing is not usually one of them.  Aibiss may not be intended for the european market at all where
a) nobody plays chinese rubber
b) they can get you to pay €90 for dignics fx 

Perhaps Bty has noticed an uptick in Japanese players buying the Nittaku-branded DHS stuff.  That would explain the pricing if they want to have an affordable substitute for chinese rubber in the Japanese market.
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Based on some feedback I've seen on Chinese forums it seems that they don't like it either haha...
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Originally posted by timoboll89 timoboll89 wrote:

Nobody in europe will use this rubber, i think butterfly is focusing on the asian market. 
For europe we will have the dignics fx in november or in 2021

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Nobody in europe will use this rubber, i think butterfly is focusing on the asian market. 
For europe we will have the dignics fx in november or in 2021
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

The only blue sponge h3 i ever used was the nittaku pro turbo blue.  Except for the weight and ridiculously hard sponge the two have nothing in common.  NH3PTB was very catapulty, in an unoredictable way.  Aibiss is not like that at all.

Not having used commercial or any H3 neo I can't say if it would be better.  I like aibiss and will probably switch to it.  But as noted, I don't expect much company. For one thing I never go back from the table (or not on purpose anyway), and most people seem to love that.
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The only blue sponge h3 i ever used was the nittaku pro turbo blue.  Except for the weight and ridiculously hard sponge the two have nothing in common.  NH3PTB was very catapulty, in an unoredictable way.  Aibiss is not like that at all.

Not having used commercial or any H3 neo I can't say if it would be better.  I like aibiss and will probably switch to it.  But as noted, I don't expect much company. For one thing I never go back from the table (or not on purpose anyway), and most people seem to love that.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...


I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  
.   Interesting... Wouldn't a blue sponge hurricane 3 be much better suited for this purpose? 




sound like even commercial hurricane 3 neo would be better
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...

I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  

In your described test above, are you sure you didn't mistakenly pick up your Hurricane 3 blue sponge racket instead?

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