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    Posted: 06/19/2020 at 10:58am
Looks like an affordable D09c.  Tacky topsheet, 50 degree hardness ,$39.99 release date 6/25





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Suppose to be spring sponge. 50 is harder than T05H or any Dignics.

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The trend seems to be flexible blade and hard rubber...im old school and i still prefer semi-rigid blade and tenergy series. Dignics is already too hard for me, probably too hard for 90% players who think they have a weapon but would play better with an acuda S2. This rubber at 50 degree is harder than a rock. 

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Hi,

Looks like an affordable D09c.  Tacky topsheet, 50 degree hardness ,$39.99 release date 6/25

Well, first; "affordable D09c" is an oxymoron, if the history of Butterfly is applicable.

Second; at that price point and that sponge hardness, my guess is that the sponge is just an old formula China-rubber-sheet-source and will perform as such, which is to say it will not play like Dignics.

Thanks.


Edited by DonnOlsen - 06/20/2020 at 8:53am
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Did they change the scale?  I thought tenergy sponge was 47.5 and fx 42.5.  So 50 would be harder the t05 but only a little.  Must have changed.  What is normal t05 on the scale they are using tonsay aibiss is 50°? 

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Looks like an affordable D09c.  Tacky topsheet, 50 degree hardness ,$39.99 release date 6/25

Well, first; "affordable D09c" is an oxymoron, if the history of Butterfly is applicable.

Second; at that price point and that sponge hardness, my guess is that the sponge is just an old formula China-rubber-sheet-source and will perform as such, which is to say it will not play like Dignics.

Thanks.

So what, BTY fanboys will buy it in droves anyway.

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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Did they change the scale?  I thought tenergy sponge was 47.5 and fx 42.5.  So 50 would be harder the t05 but only a little.  Must have changed.  What is normal t05 on the scale they are using tonsay aibiss is 50°? 

This ej business is so confusing!


Why would Butterfly use a different scale? You basically have to add 10-11° on the scale that Butterfly uses and you get roughly the ESN hardness for the sponges.

Tenergy FX = 32° equals 42/43 on ESN
Tenergy = 36° equals 46/47 on ESN

You can do the same for Rozena; T05 Hard, Dignics etc.

So Aibiss would be roughly 60° on the "european" scale which ESN primarily uses.


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Butterfly's becoming the Apple of table tennis industry.
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For all their success, Butterfly needs help in their branding department. Tenergy was the perfect brand name. Sounds cool, and perfectly captures the spirit of the product. However, that was 12 years ago. Who is naming these recent offerings? Rozena? Dignics?? Aibiss???
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Tenergy is just as much a nonsense word as the others, you just already associate it retroactively with the successful product. 
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I can get it all from cobbler's shop, just for a song.
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Almost tenergy was a good name as it came in with high tension and energy mixed together as well as a good product.

Dignics might make more sense in Japan

Also spinart for a tack rubber makes sense.
I'd like this to be rebranded under the Tackfire brand (take out the I) as like Tackfire for aibis and Tackfire X for the dignics would made more sense

Rozena at least sounds cool even if it's meaningless
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The folks at Butterfly are going aibyssal on us, surprise!

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Looks like an affordable D09c.  Tacky topsheet, 50 degree hardness ,$39.99 release date 6/25

Well, first; "affordable D09c" is an oxymoron, if the history of Butterfly is applicable.

Second; at that price point and that sponge hardness, my guess is that the sponge is just an old formula China-rubber-sheet-source and will perform as such, which is to say it will not play like Dignics.

Thanks.

butterfly selliing a cheaper rubber its suspicious
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Originally posted by LOG1C1AN LOG1C1AN wrote:

For all their success, Butterfly needs help in their branding department. Tenergy was the perfect brand name. Sounds cool, and perfectly captures the spirit of the product. However, that was 12 years ago. Who is naming these recent offerings? Rozena? Dignics?? Aibiss???

I very much agree with you.  I still have trouble pronouncing Dignics.  I thought too that Tenergy would lead to a new Butterfly era of marketing-oriented/artistically-influenced names that reflect the sensibilities and sensitivities of the branding brilliance you see in other products of other companies.  [OK, I do admit that Corona beer didn't work out too well.]

Something similar are the Stiga shirts of the Swedish National Team.  Here is a great company with great products and a below-zero sense of fashion in their (20 or 30 year old design) shirts that have the equivalent appeal of the anachronistic Wimbledon White.

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Donn, as much as Like a lot of your writings, I gotta disagree with you on Stiga… their conservative styling is wearable for years and the newer stuff always connects to the previous stuff. Stiga gear is pretty much a sure-fire timeless choice for jerseys and accessories.

Fashion has too many whims.. I think Stiga really gets it.
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Yall should listen how japanese and chinese pronounced
Tenergy 
Xdddddd
Dignics and Lemuria was on Larc 5 years ago
Propably Aibiss is old name too.
Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, so we will wait 2 months and they put Lemuria with old sponge and new topsheet because they need EJ money,
 they  didnt care about customers until Covid..They lying about (2 years cost us to make project of Hadraw handle) they discountined blade because they change production costs and they rebrand blade and add different thickness and add different name just because.
And they quality of blades looks worse and worse. Last good year of production was with R series...2017
 
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, so we will wait 2 months and they put Lemuria with old sponge and new topsheet because they need EJ money,
 they  didnt care about customers until Covid..They lying about (2 years cost us to make project of Hadraw handle) they discountined blade because they change production costs and they rebrand blade and add different thickness and add different name just because.
And they quality of blades looks worse and worse. Last good year of production was with R series...2017
 


Got proof of any of that?
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, 

If you could list one rubber and say bty is in trouble because everyone likes new ESN rubber X, then bty would have a problem.  

If it takes ten competing products to match yours, you have no real competition.
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I am talking about your claims that Butterfly is in "big trouble", that they are making "no extra money", that they "lied about Hadraw", and that "quality has gotten worse since R series".


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Si, Hurricane blue sponge from DHS is still number one.
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Maybe in your opinion. Not sure how that means that Butterfly made fraudulent claims about products and are in financial distress.


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I'm actually quite curious, because I'm looking for something better than the Hurricane 3 provincial orange sponge that I have for the backhand which doesn't cost a bomb like Dignics... the more spin it has the better....and it better have good short game control too!




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Anyone tried it yet ? 
I know it should be quality rubber but just wonder how far from H3 provincial.
My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094
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ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.


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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.



Let us know what you think! 

I'm really interested...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.



Let us know what you think! 

I'm really interested...

Might be awhile since NYC clubs are closed but I recently went to NJ since they are open by appt only so hopefully I’ll test it out soon.
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 https://imgur.com/a/aXwNTZ2

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My customer had already reviewed and compared this rubber with 007 pro. Sound interesting.
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