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    Posted: 06/19/2020 at 1:48pm
I think, most of the forum-members here have already noticed, that there is a manufacturer in Portugal, who offers really nice looking custom made blades for sale: 
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/sdc-handmade-blades_topic86864_page1.html

From the first moment I liked the look of his blades and it was really interesting to watch, how Sérgio increased his skills during the last 1-2 years. But I did not only followed his thread, I also bought 2 blades from him in the past and both blades played very well.

Some days ago Sérgio contacted me and asked me, if I would be interested in testing three other blades. And although the halls are still closed in my town, I agreed, because I have a table tennis table + robot in my cellar. 

So he sent me: 

1) his first composite blade with Innegra S Carbon (Framiré - IC - Framiré - Kiri)
2) his second Innegra blade, with composite over the core (Limba - Limba - IC - Ayous)
3) a kind of remake of the Butterfly Revoldia (Koto - "Magic Fairy Dust" - Ayous - Kiri)

  

From the first look I liked each of these blades, 
but especially the design of the Innegra Inner and the handle shape of the "Revoldia".

Pure design of the blade: Innegra Inner > "Revoldia" > Innegra Outer

I have tested all blades with the same rubber-combination: 
T05 in 2,1 mm on forehand and T05 Hard in 1,9 mm on backhand, 
but also switched between FH and BH.

From the first bouncing-test I felt more vibrations on the Innegra blades and also a harder feeling, compared with the Revoldia-Remake. Together with the straight handle (which I prefer) I was sure, that the Revoldia would be my favourite.

First Impressions: "Revoldia" > Innegra Outer > Innegra Inner

With the robot I started some exercises with backspin balls, trying to attack them with backhand and later with forehand. To my surprise I felt no bad vibrations with the Innegra blades, in opposite to the first impressions from bouncing the ball. I was able to feel the ball very well, but without too much vibrations. Opening from backspin was easy with both blades, but not as easy as with the "Revoldia". The reason for this is the lower curve of the Innegra blades. This needs some time to adjust, but should be possible with a few training-sessions and the right rubbers.

Opening from Backspin: Revoldia > Innegra Inner > Innegra Outer
 
After these first exercises I was sure, that the "Revoldia" would become my favourite blade. The feeling of the blade was good, opening from backspin was very easy and the handle fits very good to my hand. I have already tested the original Butterfly Revoldia and this Revoldia Remake is not a 1:1 copy, but for me it is as good as the original.

On the other side the Innegra Inner feels and sounds a bit "hollow", while the Innegra Outer felt a bit too direct in these exercises.

In the next 2 days I tested the blades with some topspin (counterspin) exercises, for example 2 balls on backhand (with different amount of spin) + 2 balls on forehand. This was the session, which changed my thoughts completely, because the Innegra blades had much better control than the "Revoldia". I had the same problems with the original Revoldia, which is also very sensitive to incoming spin, especially if the opponent attacks with fast and hard topspin.

The Innegra Inner was better than the "Revoldia" in this point, but still had this "hollow" sound and feeling.

The clear winner of this session was the Innegra Outer blade. Especially with the T05 Hard I was able to attack any topspin without loosing control. The feeling was still very direct, but this was not negative in this exercise. The feeling was crispier than most Limba-ALC outer blades (Framiré is from the same "family" like Limba). The Innegra Outer blade really shines in this part of the game.

Counterspin / Block / Smashing: Innegra Outer > Innegra Inner >> "Revoldia"

I planned to continue my tests with Dignics 05 (instead of Tenergy 05) on the Innegra Outer, but unfortunately my robot got a defect and I am still waiting for the repair. Therefore I had to stop the test and already shipped the blades to another tester.

Of course this was not a "real" test in a "real" match, but the results were clear enough for me. At the end of my test I ordered 2 Innegra Outer blades, my third and fourth SDC blade. Big smile
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Thanks a lot, Magic. Hipnotic seems to be a real artist. I cannot recall seeing a bad looking blade from him.
Too bad about your robot...but do you happen to have some additional pictures of the Revoldia remake, especially close-ups from the side?
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Here you can see the composition of the Revoldia-Remake:






Edited by Magic_M - 06/19/2020 at 2:56pm
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Thanks again, Magic.

So the weird looking second layer is the "dust" layer? I would seem rather thick for just some dust ...the CNF layer of the original Revoldia is thinner and kinda white-ish. Well, maybe Hipnotic will reveal some day what he has actually used for this "dust" Big smile

Final question: Based on your short test, would you say that this blade is a straight off blade or maybe "only" off-minus? Just asking because based on the frequency level Hipnotic posted on his thread this blade seems rather slow...


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Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Thanks again, Magic.

So the weird looking second layer is the "dust" layer? I would seem rather thick for just some dust ...the CNF layer of the original Revoldia is thinner and kinda white-ish. Well, maybe Hipnotic will reveal some day what he has actually used for this "dust" Big smile

Final question: Based on your short test, would you say that this blade is a straight off blade or maybe "only" off-minus? Just asking because based on the frequency level Hipnotic posted on his thread this blade seems rather slow...

I called that layer "Magic fairy dust" as a satire of all the marketing hype big manufactures create around their blades. I'm not gonna disclose for now what that layer is, but it's nothing fancy. I just wanted to see if I could get there without using some state of the art material.
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Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Based on your short test, would you say that this blade is a straight off blade or maybe "only" off-minus? Just asking because based on the frequency level Hipnotic posted on his thread this blade seems rather slow...
I would rate it with Off-
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Originally posted by Hipnotic Hipnotic wrote:

Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:


I called that layer "Magic fairy dust" as a satire of all the marketing hype big manufactures create around their blades. I'm not gonna disclose for now what that layer is, but it's nothing fancy. I just wanted to see if I could get there without using some state of the art material.


I like your sense of humour regarding your "Magic fairy dust" and as an artist you are certainly allowed to keep your secrets...Smile
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Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Based on your short test, would you say that this blade is a straight off blade or maybe "only" off-minus? Just asking because based on the frequency level Hipnotic posted on his thread this blade seems rather slow...
I would rate it with Off-


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So, here are my impressions after about 2 hours of training yesterday.
I didn't know which blade to start with, so I just grabbed one without my glasses on. I am practically blind without them and took the "outer" model.
Just to be clear: I can understand, why Magic_M ordered two of them. Big smile
I can confirm a lot of what Magic_M has written, some not.
First of all, the wood is "classic" synthetic fibre as expected, i.e. it vibrates little, is quite stiff and has a rather flat throw compared to blades without fiber. I deliberately chose my old Omega V Tour as my fh, as it was too "tedious" on my allwood blade. Many people report that harder rubbers that are optimized for rotation are more suitable for stiff fiber reinforced blades. The combination fits together really well and I had no problems at all to change from my allwood blade combination to the innegra outer.
One thing was also remarkable: It didn't really matter what kind spin was in the ball, actively played strokes "overpowered" almost everything. This also fits to the assessment of Magic_M. Blocking was also very good and what really surprised me was the control in the "short-short" and in the serve receive.
I have also tried very stiff blades like Viscaria, Maze, Zhang Jike Super ZLC or the single layer Hinoki woods from Tibhar. There I always had the feeling that I could simply "overpower" every spin and especially the topspin on underspin was really easy. My problem with such stiff blades was the loss of control in the passive and short game and the feeling of not being able to create enough rotation myself. Well, the feeling could have been wrong, with the Innegra-Outer our number 2 had a lot of problems with my serves. Big smile
But unlike Magic_M, I did not feel that the Innegra-Outer was more directly than my memory of the Maze. On the contrary, for me it was a bit more "indirect" and had above all much less catapult especially compared to a Zhang Jike and Viscaria. I have the feeling that exactly this "less" helps me with the short-short and therefore the throw does not become criminally flat.
I also deliberately did not reread the measured frequency of the in blade order not to be biased. Sergio measured 1290Hz, which confirms my impressions of the wood in retrospect. A Viscaria and also Maze are more likely to be found in 1400Hz regions and accordingly the Innegra-Outer is less stiff and slower.
All in all, such a wood would be a bestseller under a certain "brand" in my opinion, with appropriate marketing by player sponsoring.  (Although the wood might be too slow for professionals)
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Had the opportunity last week to test the Innegra-Inner again with Omega V Tour on VH and Hexer Powergrip on RH. All in all I can only quote Magic_M:
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

 
On the other side the Innegra Inner feels and sounds a bit "hollow", while the Innegra Outer felt a bit too direct in these exercises.

I know exactly the feeling when I change from stiffer blades to more flexible ones. I associate this "hollow" feeling mainly with the stiffness of the blade.
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

 
The Innegra Inner was better than the "Revoldia" in this point, but still had this "hollow" sound and feeling.

The clear winner of this session was the Innegra Outer blade. Especially with the T05 Hard I was able to attack any topspin without loosing control. The feeling was still very direct, but this was not negative in this exercise. The feeling was crispier than most Limba-ALC outer blades (Framiré is from the same "family" like Limba). The Innegra Outer blade really shines in this part of the game.
I can also confirm that the hard Omega V Tour played better on the Innegra-Outer. On the other hand I liked the Hexer Powergrip on the VH as well as on the RH extraordinarily on the Innegra-Inner.
The wood is definitely slower than an Innerforce ALC and also a Liu Shiwen, if you hit one that is 5.8mm thick. The Innegra-Inner reminds me very much of the Victas ZX Gear Fiber, speed and feel is very similar.
I have to say that a "hollow" feeling is not bad per se. I know it from myself, after a good half hour I got used to it and I notice the more control in many strokes.
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I am also a blade maker of sorts.. although my expertise is making a blade play better using methods in vibration and flex.

I have used the cnf material in 2 blades and although I haven't had much chance lately because of the obvious situation in the world, I did notice that this material plays different.

Their are only a few places in the world that make this cnf so its hard to acquire.
And the cnf is only made in a few types of wood so far.

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It's very hard to acquire, I tried it without success...
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