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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Online Points: 1903 |
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Butterfly blades are BS . The first time I removed a D09C I got hair thin splinters on a SZLC.
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Zwill ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/10/2017 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 171 |
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In my view Joola has been a braindead company for a long time. They sold a lot of mediocre or even bad stuff which alienated a lot of people I guess, but Joola's recent Korean blades are just so nice. The Trinity is a bit pricy I have to say, but the Zhou Qihao S-ALC blades are reasonable and especially the Zhou Qihao blades are super high quality. Butterfly blades don't hold a candle in comparison. Also Joola has a bit fatter FL handles than most and that is something I appreciate a lot. mon22's point is true about the box, Joola silver boxes are kinda meh and if you look at Butterfly and Joola's boxes next to eachoter on a shelf your eye will gravitate to Butterfly 100%. But like, it's a box, you normally use it once and then discard it... Maybe I'm a cheap bastard but I don't wanna pay premium for a box, I'd be happy to get a blade in a plain ass cardboard box with good protection if it saves 10 bucks.
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Joola Zhou Qihao S-ALC 90
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mon22 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/05/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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What's worse is the boxes are so cheap. The Rossi PBO-C has a tank of a box which made me feel was worth its price; but man, the cheap silver boxes are undesireable compared to a butterfly ALC blade similarly priced or even less
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I guess you haven’t seen the latest blades from Joola then 😂 these Vyzaryz blades are over 2 years since release and have generally sold fairly well especially the Trinity. I guess people have pre-determined and historical opinions about Joola which they can’t seem to shake.
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kolevtt ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/13/2011 Location: European Union Status: Offline Points: 2524 |
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This new prices for blades from Joola surprised me a lot. Not sure which is their target, as definitely 200+ bucks for Joola blade sounds pretty unusual for me. They probably rely on the curiosity of the people more than something else. Of course, this is only my own opinion and suggestion. Blades could be well made and appropriate for high skilled players, but here we have to ask a question: How many high skilled players will buy these blades without sponsorship? Good luck to Joola
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I can solve the mystery for you, they are all kiri core - always have been. How this information error came to be is a mystery to me, but it will be fixed as quickly as possible.
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hristobotev ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04/05/2021 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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could be. You never know.
I have made a direct comparison without testing the second one yet, waiting for the rubbers. So they seems to be the same. Just different weight and frequency. The lighter the faster. This can be because of the thinner outer Limba on one of the blades. I can barely see small holes on both. Just in some of the areas, not like the pictures from Tedi Bear. When I touched with my nails it make a mark and feel is soft core. As far as I know Kiri and Ayous are relatively stiff material but Kiri is softer. So could be Kiri. Or at least I never ever had a blade with Ayous core.
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Joola Vyzaryz trinity
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14617 |
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IMHO, no point in getting an innerforce blade if you are looking for SZLC speed though. Just saying. I do like the limba outers on Trinity like Mizutani SZLC and if Joola made an PBOC with Limba outers, I might get in on that. The TMXi sounds like a very interesting blade in its own right. But I am trying to see how fast a thin looping blade I can use and SZLC outer seems to be where it's at (I want to stay away from the Primorac Carbons and Garaydias...)
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Online Points: 1903 |
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HL5 is solid Off+
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kindof99 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02/07/2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4145 |
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Missing limba outer, carbon out (JM zlc?) Koto outer, inner carbon and ayoue core (H301?)
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AMonteiro ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/30/2007 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2038 |
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TMX is koto Outer while Trinity is limba Outer.
Core of both is kiri TMXi is limba outer and ayous core. |
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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kindof99 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02/07/2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4145 |
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Supposedly, Xiom tmx is similar but probably cheaper? And tmxi is similar but just inner? The core of tmx is probably ayous though.
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I just got one Trinity and the frequency is over 1600 Hz despite being only 83g. It is going to be the fastest blade I have ever tried to seriously adapt to as my main blade. I did it to quell my desire to get a Mizutani SZLC. Hopefully it works out.
I find the comment about the chance of materials interesting. It might mean I have a kiri inner blade. I am usually far more a fan of ayous than kiri. But I will let the blade speak for itself.
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hristobotev ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04/05/2021 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Very good comments. Let me put some comments from my side. I really like Trinity - so much like that I bought 3 pcs. 1st. Brand new 89g ST. 1507 Hz 2nd. 2 years old, 89g, FL, dont remember the Hz. 3rd. 2 years old, 84, ST. and.. 1593 Hz. (measured 5 times just to be sure). I am not sure what is happening here - I am talking about Kiri vs Ayous, but what I can see is that the newest one is different from the Core perspective. It is definitely Kiri core (I have had so many blades so far so I can recognize the Kiri core). The other 2 (older ones) has different core. I think it is Ayous. No holes at all, very soft core. I have tried the FL one with Tenergy 05 and it feels like with a very low trajectory (a couple of cm from the net, but all the balls are in the opponent side). Controllable. Mine (new ones) feel harder (like Timo Boll Alc) and powerful (Like zhang jike zlc) but still remain controllable. Do you think that Company like Joola will issue their Catalogue, will put it on their official website as Ayous - they cannot be so stupid and unexperienced. at least I don't believe it. So what I am thinking is that at the beginning they have used Ayous, but then they changed to Kiri. Why, don't know - maybe we will not found out but in fact, there are differences. However, I will try the ST old one with Rhyzen ZGR and Fire and will get back to you. The real test will be if I remove the rubbers from one to another but I have a match soon so I dont want to change the setup since it is a very dangerous for the opponent and I would like to stay for some more time (Rasanter R53 and Donic coppa X1 turbo platin)
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Joola Vyzaryz trinity
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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honest opinion : its hard to play a Long time with one blade....
Maybe try Hugo Calderano sal and hal?
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aerial ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/11/2015 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 475 |
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welp, I think a blade that takes a year to break in is probably no-go for me
thanks for the info
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AMonteiro ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/30/2007 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2038 |
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I'm trying to switch to Freeze for a couple of months and I can say that it's not almost like an inner carbon blade.. far from that, actually. It still behaves like an outer ALC, a little bit softer due to limba outer layer but that's all. If you don't like Viscaria or TB ALC, Freeze is not your choice even with limba outer. My training parter has two Freeze, both almost one year of use, they are softer and better felling compared to mine.. But nobody want a blade to get better after one year, that's why I'm selling mine. I hope they come up with inner versions of Freeze and Trinity next year.
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aerial ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/11/2015 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 475 |
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Does the freeze hold up to being a softer/flexier blade, almost like an inner carbon blade?
I am interested in buying one but not sure because i always hated Viscaria and TB ALC, too stiff for my liking and the freeze's composition is an outer after all..
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mon22 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/05/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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got a Trinity blade 88g posted for sale - $160 lmk
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Jolan ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/14/2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1299 |
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Same for me. Freeze has really got something special which grabs the ball and keeps it longer into the rubber for better brushing. It has also became my main blade.
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Joola Wyzaryz Freeze
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yogi_bear ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/25/2004 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 7189 |
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i never had any problems looping with Freeze. I made adjustments when I looped with Trinity or Hybrid but not Freeze.
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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third day with freeze cold,
First day: hard to make easy spin but very good grip Second day : too much grip and a lot better spin ( harder glue ) Third day: more control, great feeling, more spin, more pleasure
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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1335 Hz 91 gram
Weight balance: Handle The spinniest blade on earth? Something is only opinion but I can feel heavy spin from my side.
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mon22 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/05/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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willing to trade to TRY the FREEZE for a 88g TRINITY flared.
USA only. Thank yoh
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Owners of the Vyzaryz Freeze, can any of you provide their Frequency reading in Hz?
I'm always interested in blades similar to Maze and Freitas. Thanks in advance!
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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I had Maze Alc and Freitas alc, not one batch
Drinhkall Powerspin- CCA unlimited Joola Vyzaryz Freezer- Hugo Calderano SAL (the same company make it for different brand) so what can I say, Vyzaryz Freezer is slower than Maze ALC and it has the best grip/dwell time. For me it is harder to generate spin when I use Freezer but I can play more agressive from both sides because I can play very powerful shots from bh and they land the table I had the same situation with SAL, maybe my shots are not the spinniest but I find very similiar kind of shots from SAL and Freeze. the same bullet shots without spin and bang the ball has very high arc, it looks from my perspective these blades have very similiar attributes even if construction is not the same the trajectory is low so you need very high throw rubbers for Freeze speed is 7,5/10 and for me it is Off+ construction and plays like OFF or even OFF- I can easy handle both topspin shots from mid distance, I can be mini Kreanga and Ma Long so it is very good to know that handle from Italy is for miracles from both sides. It is really good to play on the table after 16 shots from mid distance like in oldschool gluing era and it is pleasure to be so effective in play. This is the reason why I think you should buy Freeze more than Maze ALC or Freitas ALC. its hard to understand Maze- Freitas difference because they play in different way even when you change their handle from FL to ST. They have different handle-headsize proportions too. Tibhar blades are only used here as example. I wont judge it
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Boll ZLC feels like it repels the ball faster to be honest and feels even harder which is quite surprising considering it should be even thinner. I find that with outer ZLC blades you can do some weird stuff like blocking really fast even unintentionally out of position. In this regard they are very similar, plus once you give it power the ZLC just doesn't flex, it's really freakish.
I tried HL5 and I have Fang Bo carbon blade and the speed difference is night and day. Those DHS blades are like All+ if the Trinity is Off. But over the table touch play is good with the Trinity, on weak balls it's not that quick, only when you start giving it some power. I can also pick up balls from the "floor" without problem. I'd have no chance with a Primo Carbon, that would just shoot out long. Handle is really great indeed. I guess the Freeze should be similar to a Maze ALC, and that construction was really good. Maybe Butterfly should rebrand it with a different name, I don't think Freitas' name sells it well. Joola's image rebrand did them good, few years ago I considered them a dying/stagnating company, but now it seems fresh again with good rubbers and blades. Their clothing is pretty slick too. |
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The Trinity have a somewhat unique feel of each composite material. I am more of a Freeze blade guy.
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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I have Freeze and I can confirm Korean wood materials selection and used as Top Ply have better quality than Butterfly. This is Top Notch level. Very well crafted blade with special heavy handle....If they (Joola/Xiom) make innerforce blades with the same attitude, they will get their $$ so if you want spend money on your new blade, choose wisely and forget about tamasu bs
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mon22 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/05/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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one thing for sure though
THIS BLADE IS COMFORTABLE. Prob one of the best handles and ive played with. Balance is more to the handle so feels easy to wield, but hard to build momentum (used to head heavy blade) I just don’t understand why JOOLA goes through the length of such a wonderful handle shape and blade face shape ONLY to make them TOO FAST. Innovative though If this was an INNER BLADE with softer outer plies, it may have been perfect.
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