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    Posted: 07/25/2020 at 8:13am
Hi,

Effectively, I've been banned from the Princeton Pong upcoming tournament.  

In their ongoing efforts to keep the residents of their fine states from exposure to the foreign infected riffraff, the Governors of New York/Conn./New Jersey have compiled a list of 31 states the residents of which are required to self-quarantine for 14 days upon entering these three states before being allowed legally to interact with their beloved population.

Being from Maryland, a state recently added to the quarantine-required list mentioned above, I have not and am not in compliance with this regulation, therefore I become ineligible for the New Jersey-based Princeton Pong tournament in early August. 

More interesting than me, I noticed two Omnipong tournament registrants are from Maryland; both, I know, also are not in compliance with this quarantine requirement.  What then becomes intriguing is what happens if one of these players shows up on tournament day?  Will the New Jersey Quarantine Enforcement Police be waiting at the club's door?  Will the tournament officials seek verification that the two week quarantine has been fulfilled?  Will the tournament officials ban the player from the tournament?  Will fines be issued?  Is the club in jeopardy of the accusation of fostering this delinquent behavior?

I know none of the answers.

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You have problems... In most countries where the situation is so much better than in the US (I actually wonder if there’s a country where the situation is worse) we still don’t have tournaments.

The USA should get their s... together before they think about playing tournaments.

Playing a tournament right now with people coming from different places is just irresponsible in the current situation. It will only further spread the virus.
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maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 
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Donn, I haven't been following Maryland so don't know what the Covid-19 stats are there.   All I can say is that I live in Houston,  and states in the northeast and elsewhere that are getting this thing under control would have to be NUTS to allow anyone from here to enter without imposing a  mandatory quarantine upon arrival.  It sucks but that's just being prudent.   In Italy they ended up shutting down travel between the different provinces for awhile   That is  one of the reasons they now have been able to return to something more or less like normal life.  Right now a pingpong tournament doesn't seem like a great justification for something ill advisesd from an epidemiological perspective.   Again, I'm talking in this case about Texas, Florida,  Georgia,  Arizona, etc. Like I said, I haven't been following Maryland.  But why not jus voluntarily  respect the decisions of New Jersey public health officials for now?
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Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

You have problems... In most countries where the situation is so much better than in the US (I actually wonder if there’s a country where the situation is worse) we still don’t have tournaments.

The USA should get their s... together before they think about playing tournaments.

Playing a tournament right now with people coming from different places is just irresponsible in the current situation. It will only further spread the virus.
First of all, you need to know not all states in USA are hot states. So, it is fine for people in some states to have a "normal" activities with "a measure of caution." Having said that, you are damn right. That tournamnent should local only. Look at HK now, they are in big shxt. In fact, they have number of newly infected people from a single case (after playing a tt torunamnent).
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

You have problems... In most countries where the situation is so much better than in the US (I actually wonder if there’s a country where the situation is worse) we still don’t have tournaments.

The USA should get their s... together before they think about playing tournaments.

Playing a tournament right now with people coming from different places is just irresponsible in the current situation. It will only further spread the virus.
First of all, you need to know not all states in USA are hot states. So, it is fine for people in some states to have a "normal" activities with "a measure of caution." Having said that, you are damn right. That tournamnent should local only. Look at HK now, they are in big shxt. In fact, they have number of newly infected people from a single case (after playing a tt torunamnent).

Yes, that’s why practice in clubs is allowed here but tournaments are not. For tournaments you have many players coming from different places and the player pools are always changing. That’s why it is much worse than club practice.
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


Edited by cole_ely - 07/25/2020 at 11:58am
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"

Just can we make our points without insulting America? That's my only concern.

That and insulting the OP.


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:


More interesting than me, I noticed two Omnipong tournament registrants are from Maryland; both, I know, also are not in compliance with this quarantine requirement.  What then becomes intriguing is what happens if one of these players shows up on tournament day?  Will the New Jersey Quarantine Enforcement Police be waiting at the club's door?  Will the tournament officials seek verification that the two week quarantine has been fulfilled?  Will the tournament officials ban the player from the tournament?  Will fines be issued?  Is the club in jeopardy of the accusation of fostering this delinquent behavior?

I know none of the answers.

Thanks.

  

At some point the TD will review the participants list and contact those people from banned states to remove their entries.

If those players show up they would be turned away by club staff/TD and any resistance would probably end up with a police call and a future ban from tournaments.

I believe state police are patrolling the highways near state entry points and monitoring out of state license plates.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"

Just can we make our points without insulting America? That's my only concern.


Yes but it would be denying the obvious to not acknowledge this. The US, both the government response and the response of the people is the laughingstock around the world right now and for good reason.
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"

Just can we make our points without insulting America? That's my only concern.


Yes but it would be denying the obvious to not acknowledge this. The US, both the government response and the response of the people is the laughingstock around the world right now and for good reason.
Actually, I don't think their government is a laughingstock. Of course, if you count that inflated balloon, that is a different story.
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I've played there recently. I'm not sure how they are going to run a tournament, but with open play they are pretty serious with restrictions. So I would assume that people from the banned states would be contacted to say they can't play. And I assume that there is some sort of enforcement from the state when a person from a restricted area comes to cross the border into NJ. If there isn't, then that's really not great. But like others have said, it would be good to be responsible and safe and make the decision to stay home.
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"

Just can we make our points without insulting America? That's my only concern.


Yes but it would be denying the obvious to not acknowledge this. The US, both the government response and the response of the people is the laughingstock around the world right now and for good reason.
I get why the response of the government is a laughingstock.  As for the people, we will see in a few years.  People don't understand what it is like to have your livelihood taken away without a clear plan to support you in the absence of it.  Ultimately most people get their understanding of how to respond to the virus from the politicians.

In any case, I am registered for the event.  Ny, NJ and PA have been closed down for months to reduce the pandemic impact.  Eventually we will get to a better understanding of how many lives are being affected by lockdown since every analysis assumes that people are only dying from covid19 and not from lockdowns.  

We are slowly reopening.  If you are from another state where you haven't reopened, no need to come over.


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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 


unfortunately that ship has sailed but if by "like china" you mean there was a capable government response from the beginning, then yeah things wouldn't be where they are at right now.

but that's not possible exactly because of what h0n1g says. americans are simply too damn self-centered and as a whole cannot actually do something for the greater good even if it means temporarily sacrificing "MUH FREEDUM"

Just can we make our points without insulting America? That's my only concern.

That and insulting the OP.

In turns of the national response to this particular crisis?  America deserves to be insulted (or maybe pitied). It should  be a wakeup call. I say that as a native born American.  

Too damned many people are refusing to do the minimal things we need to do  to get past this because...???  Selfish?  Stubborn?  Ignorant?  Who knows?   

And too many people in a position to make decisions refuse to look at what other countries have successfully done and say, gee, that might work here.  Why?  Who knows   A misplaced sense of exceptionalism?  But it's the reason Donn can't go to NJ to play  a tournament, and no European country will let me visit this summer. 



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Don,

Could your ban have been the result of someone at the club reading your book PATT  (Principled Approach to Table Tennis) and then bribing the governor to keep such heretical TT thoughts from infecting their states Table Tennis community.

Seems a little heavy handed to ban all of Maryland just to keep you out but people do have strange reactions to reading PATT

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I do as well. 
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Are you sure you got ban? At least 4 person from MD all registered. If MD is banned, they should be all banned. As far as I know, they have no empty spots left for two high rating events.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 

Yes. They actually controlled the virus. While in America, theres so many idiots not caring about the health of themselves and the people around them. 
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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

Don,

Could your ban have been the result of someone at the club reading your book PATT  (Principled Approach to Table Tennis) and then bribing the governor to keep such heretical TT thoughts from infecting their states Table Tennis community.

Seems a little heavy handed to ban all of Maryland just to keep you out but people do have strange reactions to reading PATT

Mark - Proud owner of a copy of PATT.

Thank you for your comments.  I have a very strong suspicion you are correct.  I have anticipated this since I penned the Circumstantial Shot Type Selection Hierarchy principle in the book that it was a step too far, and that, given a chance, the authorities would act.  That my whole state must suffer for my actions is regrettable.

Thank you for your continuing astuteness. 
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Donn, I haven't been following Maryland so don't know what the Covid-19 stats are there.

Well, though you may not be familiar with the latest COVID-19 outcomes in Maryland, the tri-state triumvirate is, in its collective mind, sufficiently conversant to add Maryland to the list of the 30 other states also deemed unworthy of uninhibited wanderings in the three states.

This judgment on the worthiness of Maryland is not universally held, as our esteemed Governor quickly and publicly stated the decision was "a mistake".  [He may or may not have a copy of PATT.]

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Perhaps the tristate area is just skeered.  

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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 

Yes. They actually controlled the virus. While in America, theres so many idiots not caring about the health of themselves and the people around them. 

Anyway, just saying their meaning of "controlled" is not what you think it means. If you believe they did, I have some Bre-X stock that you may interested in LOL
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Are you sure you got ban? At least 4 person from MD all registered. If MD is banned, they should be all banned. As far as I know, they have no empty spots left for two high rating events.
I think he needs 14 days quarantine, so he cannot play.
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Cannot register because over the limit is not equal to be banned unless all MD players got banned. True, NJ just add VA and MD on the list. But things can change within next two weeks. 


Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

Are you sure you got ban? At least 4 person from MD all registered. If MD is banned, they should be all banned. As far as I know, they have no empty spots left for two high rating events.
I think he needs 14 days quarantine, so he cannot play.


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Ultimately we must face what we think we are as human in a group and when we understand that our relationships mainly define who we are, we want to protect other people more and self quarantine is the key: to better protect other people, I stay away from them. If I go out, I wear a mask, easy. It's easier for me with a job and a family and I feel for those respectful of other people and staying alone, going through what I hope is a spiritual experience that improves them. My hat's off to those. No tourney!
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

maybe stay at home instead of playing a freakin table tennis tournament at a time where hospitals are starting to send home patients to die. 

This is literally what is wrong with the US. People are not used to making sacrifices when it comes to their “personal freedom”. 

Wow

We should be a lot more like China, Huh? 

Yes. They actually controlled the virus. While in America, theres so many idiots not caring about the health of themselves and the people around them. 

Anyway, just saying their meaning of "controlled" is not what you think it means. If you believe they did, I have some Bre-X stock that you may interested in LOL

Yea right and America started hiding its data and stopped reporting data to WHO.
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Stopped reporting directly to CDC, actually.  It now goes to HHS first.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Stopped reporting directly to CDC, actually.  It now goes to HHS first.


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