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    Posted: 11/10/2020 at 1:50pm
Starting to focus more on the good ol' pushblocking strategy, and wanted to see if anyone knew some good current players to watch for this style. Not really at a pro level (Manika Batra), but more for the amateur players and how they deal with that sort of game. 

Some of the ones I've been watching:



This younger girl who battled gucci - https://youtu.be/KOC_RWwL-XI




Mainly looking for amateurs in the USATT 2000-2400ish range. Maybe in the german leagues? Something you could hope to emulate style wise. In the past I know there were more players like pushblocker, who play quite passively. Are the new players having to use more FH and whatnot to compete? I'm seeing how the style has changed and continues to adapt. 
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Wow, some interesting videos there. It's terrifying how good people can get with such unorthodox styles.
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I would also like to mention Oliver Mader (a.k.a pushblocker), who's is/was a USATT 2200+ rated player, and a member on this forum.. V
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Gosh the LP attackers are close to unplayable lol, personally I haven't figured out how to win against those guys other than to play crazy, ie serve long and loopkill all balls, and on serve receive try to loopkill all loose balls and flick all short balls...
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Theres a guy in  my club who plays with ox lp both sides on an allround classic, he attacks, chops, does everything. Hes quite immune to easy lobs as well. 
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"deny blocker" is quite entertaining - e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmEzopp9_E or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFZDF0NY7rE




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It's a rare style and is one of my favorite to play. We have a guy in our club who could probably enter a tournanent in another area and obtain around a 2200 rating. He pushblocks every shot with minimal attacking and pretty much consistently beats about everyone. Despite not being one of the top players, I'm one of the very few who can beat him with patience and control/slow looping. It's not uncommon for our matches to be exhausting grinds upwards of 45 minutes or so in a best of five. They're very rhythmic and repetitive for me, working the ball around the table and trying to find good shots to attack. Most people who play this guy lose a quick 0:3 match from trying to rip third balls and then being unable to devise much of a strategy when they're returned. However, it's easier said than done as I know the ins and outs out this player's game.

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Originally posted by FinalFight FinalFight wrote:

It's a rare style and is one of my favorite to play. We have a guy in our club who could probably enter a tournanent in another area and obtain around a 2200 rating. He pushblocks every shot with minimal attacking and pretty much consistently beats about everyone. Despite not being one of the top players, I'm one of the very few who can beat him with patience and control/slow looping. It's not uncommon for our matches to be exhausting grinds upwards of 45 minutes or so in a best of five. They're very rhythmic and repetitive for me, working the ball around the table and trying to find good shots to attack. Most people who play this guy lose a quick 0:3 match from trying to rip third balls and then being unable to devise much of a strategy when they're returned. However, it's easier said than done as I know the ins and outs out this player's game.

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Not me. The other player has inverted for serves but never uses it during the match. Even when he occasionally attacks it will be with the LP.
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Originally posted by FinalFight FinalFight wrote:

It's a rare style and is one of my favorite to play. We have a guy in our club who could probably enter a tournanent in another area and obtain around a 2200 rating. He pushblocks every shot with minimal attacking and pretty much consistently beats about everyone. Despite not being one of the top players, I'm one of the very few who can beat him with patience and control/slow looping. It's not uncommon for our matches to be exhausting grinds upwards of 45 minutes or so in a best of five. They're very rhythmic and repetitive for me, working the ball around the table and trying to find good shots to attack. Most people who play this guy lose a quick 0:3 match from trying to rip third balls and then being unable to devise much of a strategy when they're returned. However, it's easier said than done as I know the ins and outs out this player's game.
Very very interesting, a player in our club did the same too. He would slow looping to the LP side and waited to attack the return. It was because the return was flat and slow. 
BTW, did your LP player attach with LP? I was trying to attack the slow loop now.


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He does have a great flat smash forehand with the LP. But he mostly just pushblocks from both wings. He covers the entire table with the LP and only really uses the inverted side for serves. I play almost exclusively slow loops in a slow loop/push combo, which as I mentioned is very repetitive and predictable but consistent. Some of our rallies can go on for like 40+ shots and is the best way I have found to play him. I've seen 2000+ level loopers lose to him in like five minutes after unsuccessfully trying to outhit him with heavy loops.

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close to the table LP push blocking - OX or with sponge?
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Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

close to the table LP push blocking - OX or with sponge?
I use ox, but few of my friends use 0.5.
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Add USATT 2100+ California's Dr. J to the list.
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Michael Tsai's channel is great is you want to keep up to date on the various tricks non-inverted rubbers can be used for:


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My practice partner is well over 2100. He uses Nittaku Wallest OX on FOREHAND . . . yes . . . FH and attacks anything and everything . . . even balls that skim the net!

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I'm guessing Denny is somewhere between 2200-2300.  He plays very well with the long pips and has exceptional touch!
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I'm guessing Stefan is in the 2300 - 2400 range.  Very good game.
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Is it a Covid side effect? I feel like there is a renewed interest in joining the dark side lately, when Haggisv posted about the new Hellfire X, I wanted one, maybe it was the Louis Vuitton effect.

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Nothing wrong with switching to LP in those screwy times LOL



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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

My practice partner is well over 2100. He uses Nittaku Wallest OX on FOREHAND . . . yes . . . FH and attacks anything and everything . . . even balls that skim the net!
Is the guy well over 2100 in your estimation or does he have an actual tournament ratings? Those are two different things in my opinion.
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Amen to that Tommyzai...how many times have I heard an 1800 or 1900 player say they are playing 2100 or better.  I recently had a 1900 player say he was playing about 2200! Shortly after saying that he lost to a 1750 player! Ha

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I know and have played the guy Tommy is talking about.  He beat me like a drum when I was visiting the area on 2 different occasions.  It has been a long time since he played any sanctioned tournaments.  He did play in some National Senior Games (winning in one I believe).  In that event he beat Randy Hou who at the time was at least 2200 (with lots of sanctioned events to back up that number).  

I do not think 2100 is an overestimate of his level.  If he had decent players to play with regularly I can easily see him being 2200.  I usually play well against long pips players, but I had no clue what to do against him.  He used  the LP on the Fh to attack dead and topsin balls like he was playing with inverted.  The stroke was so ugly you kept thinking "it is just luck".  But after he plays 10 or so in a row just like it you become a believer.  He uses a Seemiller style grip so is playing with LP on both wings.  From Bh side his blocks remind me a lot of Pushblocker.  Of course my loops are not good enough to judge if he is at that level.  To top it off he twiddles to use inverted on shots to his Bh so he can attack balls he would not normally be able to attack with his LP from that side.

By the way, he never talks about his rating.  It is everyone that plays him for the first time that does the speculating about his rating.

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