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What rubbers are you using?

Tenergy 05 and 64
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Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Stiffness and less dwell makes the pips less spin sensitive, which is indeed preferred. Please note that I use them for blocking/hitting through spin/driving, not chopping away from the table.
Then you'd better use frictionless LP or fast antispin rubber like 729 804. As far as I remember, Spectol on PC behaved much like fast anti, but with more speed and longer trajectory.
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Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Does the speed of Primorac Carbon come from a quick rebound and very little dwell time, or the flexibility adding a kick onto the ball? Providing it seems to be stiff and soft, I assume the former?
Right. On softer, brushy strokes hinoki behaves like a soft wood and gives you some dwell to control. That is why PC is very good for slow spinny loops if you have the right timing and technique. But the problem is that you never brush the ball with SP, you either hit with power, block or drive through the ball. These shots make hinoki behave like a very hard wood, and even more hard with the t5000 carbon underneath. It's like playing with a frying pan: very fast rebound, no arc at all, and no time to control the shot direction.
With a Clipper you have much more options to speed up or slow down the rally, redirect your blocks and even loop with your SP.
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Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Does the speed of Primorac Carbon come from a quick rebound and very little dwell time, or the flexibility adding a kick onto the ball? Providing it seems to be stiff and soft, I assume the former?
Right. On softer, brushy strokes hinoki behaves like a soft wood and gives you some dwell to control. That is why PC is very good for slow spinny loops if you have the right timing and technique. But the problem is that you never brush the ball with SP, you either hit with power, block or drive through the ball. These shots make hinoki behave like a very hard wood, and even more hard with the t5000 carbon underneath. It's like playing with a frying pan: very fast rebound, no arc at all, and no time to control the shot direction.
With a Clipper you have much more options to speed up or slow down the rally, redirect your blocks and even loop with your SP.

That's not the experience that I have. After using T05 and T64 for a long time I switched to short pips both sides and they are great with primorac carbon because primorac has thick hinoki outerplies. Great control and very nice to play with unlike the ovtcharov carbospeed which has much thinner hinoki outerplies and plays like you describe.
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What is the maximum weight range of PC? Do 95g pieces exist?
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Does the speed of Primorac Carbon come from a quick rebound and very little dwell time, or the flexibility adding a kick onto the ball? Providing it seems to be stiff and soft, I assume the former?
Right. On softer, brushy strokes hinoki behaves like a soft wood and gives you some dwell to control. That is why PC is very good for slow spinny loops if you have the right timing and technique. But the problem is that you never brush the ball with SP, you either hit with power, block or drive through the ball. These shots make hinoki behave like a very hard wood, and even more hard with the t5000 carbon underneath. It's like playing with a frying pan: very fast rebound, no arc at all, and no time to control the shot direction.
With a Clipper you have much more options to speed up or slow down the rally, redirect your blocks and even loop with your SP.

That's not the experience that I have. After using T05 and T64 for a long time I switched to short pips both sides and they are great with primorac carbon because primorac has thick hinoki outerplies. Great control and very nice to play with unlike the ovtcharov carbospeed which has much thinner hinoki outerplies and plays like you describe.

Lol Primorac Carbon with short pips both sides, I would hate to play against you haha... 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Does the speed of Primorac Carbon come from a quick rebound and very little dwell time, or the flexibility adding a kick onto the ball? Providing it seems to be stiff and soft, I assume the former?
Right. On softer, brushy strokes hinoki behaves like a soft wood and gives you some dwell to control. That is why PC is very good for slow spinny loops if you have the right timing and technique. But the problem is that you never brush the ball with SP, you either hit with power, block or drive through the ball. These shots make hinoki behave like a very hard wood, and even more hard with the t5000 carbon underneath. It's like playing with a frying pan: very fast rebound, no arc at all, and no time to control the shot direction.
With a Clipper you have much more options to speed up or slow down the rally, redirect your blocks and even loop with your SP.

That's not the experience that I have. After using T05 and T64 for a long time I switched to short pips both sides and they are great with primorac carbon because primorac has thick hinoki outerplies. Great control and very nice to play with unlike the ovtcharov carbospeed which has much thinner hinoki outerplies and plays like you describe.

Lol Primorac Carbon with short pips both sides, I would hate to play against you haha... 

I am a nightmare to play against for most yes
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

Does the speed of Primorac Carbon come from a quick rebound and very little dwell time, or the flexibility adding a kick onto the ball? Providing it seems to be stiff and soft, I assume the former?
Right. On softer, brushy strokes hinoki behaves like a soft wood and gives you some dwell to control. That is why PC is very good for slow spinny loops if you have the right timing and technique. But the problem is that you never brush the ball with SP, you either hit with power, block or drive through the ball. These shots make hinoki behave like a very hard wood, and even more hard with the t5000 carbon underneath. It's like playing with a frying pan: very fast rebound, no arc at all, and no time to control the shot direction.
With a Clipper you have much more options to speed up or slow down the rally, redirect your blocks and even loop with your SP.

That's not the experience that I have. After using T05 and T64 for a long time I switched to short pips both sides and they are great with primorac carbon because primorac has thick hinoki outerplies. Great control and very nice to play with unlike the ovtcharov carbospeed which has much thinner hinoki outerplies and plays like you describe.

Lol Primorac Carbon with short pips both sides, I would hate to play against you haha... 

I am a nightmare to play against for most yes

Damn, which short pips are you using? Maybe I'll buy one setup like that just for fun to experience some bang bang bang table tennis hahaha
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Rakza po and speedy soft dtrcs
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Goodness, if you use TBS with T05 and still can't generate speed, the equipment is the last thing you need to worry about. 
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could be some alternatives that are similar to viscaria but a bit faster.
there's so many different blades LOL

or just start using some booster to liven up the rubbers.


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Originally posted by Rollko Rollko wrote:

What is the maximum weight range of PC? Do 95g pieces exist?

BTY rates it at 88g but it's easy to find a 90+ grams.
95g would make it an absolute beast Tongue
Mine is 85g with two G1 on it and it's really fast already but has enough dwell for slow loops. 
High throw inverted rubbers are recommended.

Btw, the ST handle is really thick.... a great surprise coming from TB ALC.

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