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Need some advice in how to do this. Glue sheets, water based glue, rubber cement ?
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Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

Need some advice in how to do this. Glue sheets, water based glue, rubber cement ?

When gluing the topsheet, I put a tin can on each corner to keep it down until it dries.  If it's a really thin base sheet


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Do you have the blade with you? I believe my friend glue the spong to the blade first, then glue the top sheet to the blade. my friend just tests the LP for something so don't know this way makes any difference.
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I appreciate all the feedback thus far. My main question is what type of glue works the best. So far, it could be that the best glue to use is Revolution 3. 
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

Need some advice in how to do this. Glue sheets, water based glue, rubber cement ?

When gluing the topsheet, I put a tin can on each corner to keep it down until it dries.  If it's a really thin base sheet

I use masking tape with rubber cement. The corners of a new sheet will get trimmed off, so you can be pretty aggressive with the tape placement. Cole's surely done a lot more of this than I have, so cans may be a better way.

Re-gluing an OX rubber using rubber cement is a bit trickier. I just use water based in that case.
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Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback thus far. My main question is what type of glue works the best. So far, it could be that the best glue to use is Revolution 3. 

I think rubber cement would generally make a much more reliable bond than water based glues when adhering rubber sheets to sponge. A glue sheet would probably not work well - especially if it has any kind of plastic "carrier" sheet for the adhesive. And in that case, it may not be legal either. I'd have to check since I don't recall those rules well enough. 

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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback thus far. My main question is what type of glue works the best. So far, it could be that the best glue to use is Revolution 3. 

I think rubber cement would generally make a much more reliable bond than water based glues when adhering rubber sheets to sponge. A glue sheet would probably not work well - especially if it has any kind of plastic "carrier" sheet for the adhesive. And in that case, it may not be legal either. I'd have to check since I don't recall those rules well enough. 

The problem with rubber cement is that it makes the top sheet curl up and therefore difficult to attach to the sponge and a thin sponge might also expand a bit. 
When I used to use medium pips and mixed and matched top sheets and sponges I always used water based clue for this purpose (Donic Vario I believe it was called at the time) whereas otherwise I always use rubber cement.
When I had full squares available for both sponge and top sheet I would glue the top sheet onto the sponge since it doesn’t have to be perfect and then the sandwich to the blade. If I didn’t have the full squares I glued the sponge to the blade and then the top sheet on top of that.


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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback thus far. My main question is what type of glue works the best. So far, it could be that the best glue to use is Revolution 3. 

I think rubber cement would generally make a much more reliable bond than water based glues when adhering rubber sheets to sponge. A glue sheet would probably not work well - especially if it has any kind of plastic "carrier" sheet for the adhesive. And in that case, it may not be legal either. I'd have to check since I don't recall those rules well enough. 

The problem with rubber cement is that it makes the top sheet curl up and therefore difficult to attach to the sponge and a thin sponge might also expand a bit. 
When I used to use medium pips and mixed and matched top sheets and sponges I always used water based clue for this purpose (Donic Vario I believe it was called at the time) whereas otherwise I always use rubber cement.
When I had full squares available for both sponge and top sheet I would glue the top sheet onto the sponge since it doesn’t have to be perfect and then the sandwich to the blade. If I didn’t have the full squares I glued the sponge to the blade and then the top sheet on top of that.

Agree with water based glues!
Although I have successfully attached with rubber cement before; I had to tape down the corners with masking take and wait a while until the glue dries and the rubber flattens again. It is doable but alot of hassle.   
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I feel like a layer of latex glue might change the properties and make it harder for the ball to sink into the sponge so, like a thin rubber band in the middle
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I feel like a layer of latex glue might change the properties and make it harder for the ball to sink into the sponge so, like a thin rubber band in the middle

And it has a risk of separating the topsheet from the sponge if the adhesion between the sponge and the blade is stronger

Like you, I prefer rubber cement. Somehow it has a kind of vulcanising properties, it the sponge-topsheet adhesion is stronger (well, rubber cements are used for the vulcanising process, if not mistaken LOL
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I feel like a layer of latex glue might change the properties and make it harder for the ball to sink into the sponge so, like a thin rubber band in the middle

Rubber cement also imposes a thin layer of rubber. Rubber cement is just rubber solids dissolved in Heptane or Hexane and possibly some other VOC solvents. So when the solvent evaporates, you are left with a thin layer of rubber. 

The nature or the rubber is different. Rubber cement rubber remains tacky and gooey while the thin layer of latex tends to be more like a contiguous piece of rubber. So it is conceivable that they create a different effect. But I'm not sure one would necessarily be worse than the other.

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 Glue sheets are tricky,I stiffen the ox lp by running 3 strips of low tack masking tape across the tips of the pips which stops wrinkles and air bubbles.
I prefer to use a Zig 2 way glue pen with chisel tip which goes onto the blade not the pips and you let it dry( make a pool with the chisel tip and spread it with an old credit card), another coat and again let it dry ,the beauty of this stuff is that it's tacky when dry so if you make a mistake when attaching the ox lp just peel it off and try again and the glue stays on the blade,again stiffen the pips with tape with this process also.As a pips ej this is great when testing ox lp's for quick interchange of different makes
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Apologies I gave instructions for ox lp.The zig glue works ok with thin  sponge to attach to blade and attach lp's  on top


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I used to use the thinner water based glues, like Xiom I-bond, Donic Formula First, etc. These glues are both thinner and stronger, so better suited for gluing an OX sheet to a sponge (or to a blade for that matter. The thicker glued tend to create a thicker layer that's not as smooth, so I avoid them for these types of applications.
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Originally posted by firetack firetack wrote:

 Glue sheets are tricky,I stiffen the ox lp by running 3 strips of low tack masking tape across the tips of the pips which stops wrinkles and air bubbles.
I prefer to use a Zig 2 way glue pen with chisel tip which goes onto the blade not the pips and you let it dry( make a pool with the chisel tip and spread it with an old credit card), another coat and again let it dry ,the beauty of this stuff is that it's tacky when dry so if you make a mistake when attaching the ox lp just peel it off and try again and the glue stays on the blade,again stiffen the pips with tape with this process also.As a pips ej this is great when testing ox lp's for quick interchange of different makes
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Apologies I gave instructions for ox lp.The zig glue works ok with thin  sponge to attach to blade and attach lp's  on top
 interesting idea about the tape I hadn't thought of that. One thing you can always do if you're not in the super hurry. You can glue the outside eedges first. Wait until they're mostly dry like 5 minutes or workable. then go back and do the middle or vice versa. Or you can kind of do it in thirds. Not over a long time but over a period of 15 minutes is okay


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