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    Posted: 09/18/2021 at 11:28pm
I was curious as to why the pros adapt a modified grip while serving (forehand). If you had noticed. they will not hold the handle at all but will move 4 fingers below the rackethead & thumb above the rackethead. But not all 4 fingers touch the blade. Only the index finger touches the blade. The other 3 fingers stay below the index finger, one below the other.  Most of you know what I mean.
I am not saying this is not the only grip they use but I was curious about this grip by shakehabder,

I was told you can brush harder or swing wider etc but I am not buying it. It seemed the same to me as holding as usual . Can you justify this action ?

Any other crazy grips for serving only (to serve better) ? By shakehander or penholder or whatever

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Edited by MarcPong - 09/18/2021 at 11:49pm
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Originally posted by MarcPong MarcPong wrote:

I was curious as to why the pros adapt a modified grip while serving (forehand). If you had noticed. they will not hold the handle at all but will move 4 fingers below the rackethead & thumb above the rackethead. But not all 4 fingers touch the blade. Only the index finger touches the blade. The other 3 fingers stay below the index finger, one below the other.  Most of you know what I mean.
I am not saying this is not the only grip they use but I was curious about this grip by shakehabder,

I was told you can brush harder or swing wider etc but I am not buying it. It seemed the same to me as holding as usual . Can you justify this action ?

Any other crazy grips for serving only (to serve better) ? By shakehander or penholder or whatever

Thanks  

It makes it a lot easier to apply finger power on the serve which increases spin deception quite a lot. Also there's a lot more flexibility on blade angles with the modified grip.

There's another hook serve grip by Ito Mima which looks pretty crazy haha.
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If your hands sweat even the slightest, this method of serving is almost impossible.  The racket will just fly out of your hand. 

Some players claim they can get some extra spin on the ball by keeping their middle finger on the handle and then applying pressure on contact. 

There are also other players who just hold the racket normally and play at a world class level, so just try to find out what works for you. 
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Actually speaking of "swing harder", spin etc... two best Chinese choppers at the moment - Ma Te and Hou Yingchao - both serve heavy long underpin serve by holding the racket with a traditional grip...with a rapid chopping motion. Watch any of their highlights and you will see what I am talking about. The point of such serve is to give the ball the max amount of spin possible so the receiver would be forced to loop and then the point would begin, obviously getting the chopper into a rally which is what they want...   I don't buy for one second that you can put more spin by holding the racket with "2 fingers"

P.s. Wang Xi serves the same way too.


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I was told it's called the Swedish grip because the Swedes invented it to emulate the strong spin of penhold players' serves. With a shakehand blade the tip of the handle hits the wrist when serve swinging and we lose circular motion. By holding the handle as described, the head of the paddle get a full motion like penhold players. It really adds spin, a lot of it, at least at low levels. Having a lot of spin in serves with a normal sh grip is of course possible but it's harder to learn.

When serving from the bh corner with a pendulum, the Swedish grip is a logical extension: the elbow goes back and up and with an horizontal arm, the elbow almost as high as the shoulder, with the forearm falling vertically, we have the paddle head pointing down in a continuation of that pendulum serve that hips, arm and forearm started. A regular sh grip there would be awkward, going out 30 degrees with not much wrist amplitude. With a Swedish grip from that "crane" that the arm and forearm form, the paddle keeps falling straight down and works in the same vertical plane than arm and forearm. The rubber can contact very thin with extreme acceleration thanks the the wrist snap followed by the fingers snap.

What I like in the pendulum with a Swedish grip is first its logic and fluidity. One of its main advantages is we can learn it in steps, with the fingers snap only for example; then we add the wrist snap before that; then we add some forearm -the real pendulum- motion before that; then we add the arm thrust before that, with a free shoulder; finally a step in on the non playing foot (with the playing foot in the air at contact to receive the player's weight after contact) for more hips before that.

We can visualize the whole serve and decompose it: On the descending trajectory of the ball, the playing foot in the back pushes for our weight to fall on the non playing foot, the hips rotate as the arm falls, the forearm snaps and so do the wrist then fingers, all in harmony to carry all the initial energy input into maximum angular velocity of the blade head. We land on the playing foot and jump back in position for the 3rd ball.

Note that the "The tip of the whip breaking sound barrier" analogy applies better than ever in the description of the pendulum serve with Swedish grip.



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There is also the "Trigger Finger" way to spin on serve by gripping near conventional and have middle finger along side of handle and SQUEEZE the "Trigger" at the right moment pivot the handle on the hand to give extra whip to the bat without showing extra wrist movement... can work if done right.
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

...With a shakehand blade the tip of the handle hits the wrist when serve swinging and we lose circular motion. By holding the handle as described, the head of the paddle get a full motion like penhold players. It really adds spin, a lot of it, at least at low levels. Having a lot of spin in serves with a normal sh grip is of course possible but it's harder to learn.
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the grip helps contact the ball softly
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Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

Actually speaking of "swing harder", spin etc... two best Chinese choppers at the moment - Ma Te and Hou Yingchao - both serve heavy long underpin serve by holding the racket with a traditional grip...with a rapid chopping motion. Watch any of their highlights and you will see what I am talking about. The point of such serve is to give the ball the max amount of spin possible so the receiver would be forced to loop and then the point would begin, obviously getting the chopper into a rally which is what they want...   I don't buy for one second that you can put more spin by holding the racket with "2 fingers"

P.s. Wang Xi serves the same way too.

This motion is more akin to the tomahawk serve which the full grip is better at...
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apart from the good points made above, I would suggest that holding the handle too firmly is not a good idea in any case, and a major cause of lack of flexibility in beginners
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