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Zwill ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/10/2017 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 174 |
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I'm now trying it on the Joola Vyzaryz Trinity, which is the triple weave blade, zylon, arylate and carbon.
It is an outer carbon as well but it works beautifully with it. Too good in fact.
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GSOM_GSOM11 ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/09/2010 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 296 |
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Did anyone try K3 on ZLC blades, IF ZLC for example? Is it a good match?
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pleiades ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 12/17/2014 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt as I'm not an expert player or table tennis equipment reviewer. My blade is an OSP Virtuoso AC 150x157. I useT05 on BH and on FH prior to K3 I used MX-D. From memory I found K3 to be as spinny as MX-D but perhaps not quite as fast below full power, K3 had a slightly harder feel as well initially. With the K3 I over hit less and in general was able to use more power/was more comfortable putting more into strokes without fear of hitting long/over hitting. Took this rubber off after 8/9 weeks approximately 80-100 hours as the top sheet was worn to the point I felt it was an issue in the hit areas and felt like there was slippage/lack of grip on brush strokes. The entire top sheet looked battered/like it had seen much better days in general really. Don't know if I'm expecting to much but i expect more duration than this from rubbers. Have put on a sheet of very very lightly (few hrs) used 09c. First session 2/3 hrs was not great, had a terrible time adjusting. 9/10 hrs in and I'm still adjusting, some things I did with K3 I just can't do with 09c at the moment. Haven't worked out bat angles yet and don't feel comfortable using as much power as with K3 yet. 10 or so hours of focused training/multi ball is going to help familiarisation/adjustment. very interested in the durability as well!? Edited by pleiades - 01/03/2022 at 9:40am |
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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maybe sieger pk 50?
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blahness ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10/18/2009 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 5442 |
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I've been using K1 plus and it's quite good like boosted H3 Neo. But imo D09c is really hard to beat but it does cost a bomb
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ashishsharmaait ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 02/27/2013 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 914 |
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So many years have gone by, but I have still not found anything close to a well boosted H3N.
Tried K3, disappointed by the lack of gears and lack of top end speed. Short game is so so and this hybrid leans more towards the Euro side rather than the Chinese side. Reminds me of Oalio Thors. Definitely a step below Dignics 09C and a little worse off compared to Rakza X EH.
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ThePongProfessor ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/17/2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1525 |
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For anyone interested, my review of this rubber has been published here.
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andzejgolot ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 10/26/2018 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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Ok I see hype about K3, why no one cares about Tibhar Quantum X Pro and X Pro soft? I find one of their (Tibhar) top model with blue and pink color, I asked because I have EJ problem with short pips on backhand (a lot of Black and less red short pips but I still want use red and black on different days and I know about rules different color of topsheet=red) but in amateur league they didnt care so I want try blue/pink rubber on forehand and change pips, not to confuse my opponent but still gluing different color pips without problems on even training. I don't want to change every day my forehand rubber
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piligrim ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/21/2011 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 5247 |
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TTD in Italian ))
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Jackcerry ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/06/2018 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 171 |
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we have made a video review of the K3! I Hope you like it!
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AndySmith ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4377 |
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I have a friend who does this too - uses rubbers until they're worn out, and then carries on anyway. He then has a shock when he eventually replaces them. Fair enough if that's your bag. I don't like using rubbers when the surface grip has REALLY died. Some players can get along with it and focus on generating spin mechanically via the sponge and not the topsheet, but that's not my way. Using a sheet of tenergy for 2 years and then claiming that they last longer is tenuous in my opinion because that 2 year old sheet isn't playing like a fresh one for the majority of players. Having said that, I find that tenergies and dignics do last longer than average. But not to the extent that I'd pay £80 for a sheet of Dignics over £30 for a sheet of Rakza Z, which I prefer in playing characteristics anyway. Important to remember that this stuff is all very subjective, there are no right answers, and people find value-for-money in different ways.
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guni4you ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 03/16/2019 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 269 |
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I have one question. My friend has tenergies on his timo boll alc. They are 1.5-2 years old. They look worn out and don't feel really grippy. But, he can produce tremendous spin it on chops and topspins. Moreover, he says that this the benefit of butterfly rubbers like tenergy and dignics that they last for a long time. Is that true? If this is the case then the high price of tenergy is justified. Isn't it?
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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Yes I think will be nice boosting, especially as it will die faster than my Tenergy on backhand. Also I found K3 to have similar tack (maybe slightly lower) than Rakza Z, but it's significantly faster which is great
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tom ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 11/18/2013 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 3004 |
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"I think it's noticeable yes. K3 plays faster, more direct, with similar spin levels so the end result is a better combination of speed and spin. Counterlooping is very impressive. I feel safer playing with R-Z though"
Know what you are saying. Thanks.
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AndySmith ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4377 |
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I looks like it has a good sponge for that, impossible to know until you try but a friend of mine has had a lot of fun boosting Rakza Z (with falco). Can't see why it wouldn't work with K3.
I think it's noticeable yes. K3 plays faster, more direct, with similar spin levels so the end result is a better combination of speed and spin. Counterlooping is very impressive. I feel safer playing with R-Z though.
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tom ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 11/18/2013 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 3004 |
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Andy, Is the top end spin or if you want power, significantly different between the THK3 and R-Z?
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ghostzen ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 08/15/2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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I might go for something like a cheaper battle 2 or even a H3 on the backhand. Boost the life out of it and see if the grip helps. If not I'll stick with D05 I think.
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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Yes that click sound is absolutely ridiculous, louder than my T64 with a 53deg sponge. Feel like because it's so boosted out of the pack, once it dies, it will respond well to maintenance boosting - what do you think?
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AndySmith ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4377 |
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Spin is very high on anything other than passive shots. And it makes an incredible "CRACK" sound too, so probably heavily factory boosted as people have suggested already. Best comparison I can think of - it's like a very, very slightly tacky MX-S. Has very high stability on drives and counters, little bit slower, but instant grab on the ball and easier to brush loop. But not as forgiving in terms of arc as Rakza Z. If you're fast on your feet and have good technique then that won't matter to you. If you're old, fat and lazy like me then you might find it a bit demanding. It rewards active play more than R-Z. It has a great mix of being relatively easy on direct shots (block, counter) while having a really dangerous top-end.
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haggisv ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5078 |
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What about the amount of spin AndySmith? Always interested to hear your view, as mine often seems the same, so we must have similar technique perhaps.
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AndySmith ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4377 |
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I've been lucky enough to get a sheet of K3 from Simon (MOG). Very impressive rubber. I wasn't sure what to make of it when it arrived - not as tacky as I'd expected (less than Rakza Z), small pore sponge, and incredibly short pips under the topsheet.
But man, it's a top rubber. Bit harder to use than R-Z, arc stays a little low, but wow you can generate serious power with good contact on the ball. I would expect it to respond well to booster - if it starts to fade away.
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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Go for something like Victas V15 or even tenergy 80? I will boost Hybrid K3 with seamoon national (just 1 medium layer) after the factory boost wears off. I think it will respond very well - what do you think?
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ghostzen ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 08/15/2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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D05 usually but am thinking of maybe going a bit slower. Had even though about chinese rubber on the backhand. I don't mind D05 it's a really great rubber but the price is becoming an issue after wrecking a brand new sheet on a crazy opening backhand opener.... after about 40 mins of play ... ![]() Just pain in one word...ok 5... |
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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I mean no, T64 is way faster
But the feel can be similar in that T64 feels soft like 43-45 degrees
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 834 |
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A German Timo Boll style spinny player in the usatt 1900 told me that his Vega Europe on his TBS feels exactly like T64. Assuming you tried both, is it true in your experience?
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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Nice I am using on viscaria, switched to T64 bh as mxp topsheet *too* stiff Your backhand rubber?
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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I use 1 medium layer of seamoon national yellow to revive over the weekend. Magic trick that manufacturers hate me for
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skv_lviv ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 02/15/2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 39 |
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After ~ 6 weeks I guess I'll change my mind and join those who say that it looses its qualities quite fast.
First 4 training sessions were like: somewhat slow but spiny rubber, I felt that I lack some speed but that I simply cannot miss any ball Then like 3, maybe 4 training sessions I felt like it became faster and that I can spin like it was in celluloid era with speed glue, or like when I tried Tenergy 05 back in 2008 (if I remember its release year properly). That feeling was ideal to me, I could overspin any of my regular opponents simply due to this rubber, people started making mistakes on my topspins not due to placement or speed, but due to spin much more often. Now like 4-5 training sessions later, it got a little bit faster, but I don't feel that spin potential anymore. It feels like it is simply hard grippy rubber, nothing extraordinal. It is still good, it is fast enough, it is quite spiny, but not that ideal like it used to be 2 or 3 weeks ago. And that makes me think about trying some other hybrid rubber in a couple of months or about trying booster, just to see whether it will restore anything in this rubber (or in my impressions) P.S. Maybe it doesn't hold a ball as long as it used to be, but it still can lift it a little bit, I would say even higher than when it was brand new.
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ghostzen ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 08/15/2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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TB ALC. It's actually better after a few weeks than out of the packet as it gains a bit of speed.
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SmackDAT ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2230 |
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Told ya! What blade?
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