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    Posted: 10/13/2021 at 11:17am
This rubber is absolutely insane - faster than 50deg Gold Arc 8, and feels great on the forehand and backhand. 

Only weighs 71g uncut too for a 53deg, tacky rubber. Better than all the hybrids I've played before (I'm nearly at double digits)!

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Interested too, 

Wanna give it a try once my MX-D wears out.
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I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
Step up for sure, faster than k1 euro but still feels as controllable - way faster than 'dead' Rakza Z, slightly tacky but has a slap noise when I go for chinese style topspins (just like H3). 

Faster than gold arc 47.5 (or at least as fast), can do fan zhendong backhands like mad.

It's a crazy rubber and was destroying people in league today, first time ever using it
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
Step up for sure, faster than k1 euro but still feels as controllable - way faster than 'dead' Rakza Z, slightly tacky but has a slap noise when I go for chinese style topspins (just like H3). 

Faster than gold arc 47.5 (or at least as fast), can do fan zhendong backhands like mad.

It's a crazy rubber and was destroying people in league today, first time ever using it

Can you please compare it to dignics 09c?
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
Step up for sure, faster than k1 euro but still feels as controllable - way faster than 'dead' Rakza Z, slightly tacky but has a slap noise when I go for chinese style topspins (just like H3). 

Faster than gold arc 47.5 (or at least as fast), can do fan zhendong backhands like mad.

It's a crazy rubber and was destroying people in league today, first time ever using it

Can you please compare it to dignics 09c?
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Haven't tried 09c
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Interested to know if you boosted it from the packet and if you did with which booster. I've heard it's quite heavy boosted straight out of the packet as well.

It sounds to have quite a few advantages both having that tacky topsheet sheet and lighter weight with an good level of speed.

I'm guessing everyone will want to make the D09C compare...to be honest.

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Originally posted by ghostzen ghostzen wrote:

Interested to know if you boosted it from the packet and if you did with which booster. I've heard it's quite heavy boosted straight out of the packet as well.

It sounds to have quite a few advantages both having that tacky topsheet sheet and lighter weight with an good level of speed.

I'm guessing everyone will want to make the D09C compare...to be honest.

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No booster, for my stroke it's quite close to MX-P/at least as fast as Gold Arc 8 - and the weight surprised me, less than Rakza Z by far - very happy
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Wow this is promising, been looking for a 09c and D05 replacement forever coz they cost a bomb...
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What is the color of K3 sponge? I could not find this information anywhere.
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by ghostzen ghostzen wrote:

Interested to know if you boosted it from the packet and if you did with which booster. I've heard it's quite heavy boosted straight out of the packet as well.

It sounds to have quite a few advantages both having that tacky topsheet sheet and lighter weight with an good level of speed.

I'm guessing everyone will want to make the D09C compare...to be honest.

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No booster, for my stroke it's quite close to MX-P/at least as fast as Gold Arc 8 - and the weight surprised me, less than Rakza Z by far - very happy


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Originally posted by ghostzen ghostzen wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by ghostzen ghostzen wrote:

Interested to know if you boosted it from the packet and if you did with which booster. I've heard it's quite heavy boosted straight out of the packet as well.

It sounds to have quite a few advantages both having that tacky topsheet sheet and lighter weight with an good level of speed.

I'm guessing everyone will want to make the D09C compare...to be honest.

Cheers







No booster, for my stroke it's quite close to MX-P/at least as fast as Gold Arc 8 - and the weight surprised me, less than Rakza Z by far - very happy


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No worries, total setup weight is 193g with edge tape (so ~50g per sheet cut).

Lovely cracking sound when I drive and topspin, it for sure has sticky rubber properties and I prefer it significantly over T05H or T19. Faster than H3 Neo boosted, less tacky though ofc.
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Another comment, out of the box, black is slightly tackier. Red works well for the FH though, but better suited for BH side.

I play both sides as I don't lose enough speed to justify going full euro. In fact, I think overall it is faster than a T05 (unless you count the really light shots a lot). I can rip backhands more efficiently with K3
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
Step up for sure, faster than k1 euro but still feels as controllable - way faster than 'dead' Rakza Z, slightly tacky but has a slap noise when I go for chinese style topspins (just like H3). 

Faster than gold arc 47.5 (or at least as fast), can do fan zhendong backhands like mad.

It's a crazy rubber and was destroying people in league today, first time ever using it

What do you mean by faster than "dead" RazkaZ? You find RZ dead or RZ than has been boosted and lost its boost, or RZ loses its speed quickly and becomes dead? (BTW-I think RZ is an euro rubber that is tacky rather than a hybrid-if that makes any sense...)
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I have ordered me a sheet and I will get it soon if everything goes well. I am not sure if it is fully available yet.

@SmackDAT: Could you give a description of how it is different to the hybrids you have tried? Also, is it a step up from the current ESN offerings which culminate in the likes of Donic Z1, Rasaner 48?
Step up for sure, faster than k1 euro but still feels as controllable - way faster than 'dead' Rakza Z, slightly tacky but has a slap noise when I go for chinese style topspins (just like H3). 

Faster than gold arc 47.5 (or at least as fast), can do fan zhendong backhands like mad.

It's a crazy rubber and was destroying people in league today, first time ever using it

What do you mean by faster than "dead" RazkaZ? You find RZ dead or RZ than has been boosted and lost its boost, or RZ loses its speed quickly and becomes dead? (BTW-I think RZ is an euro rubber that is tacky rather than a hybrid-if that makes any sense...)
I don't mean properly dead, but if you watch TT11's review, I agree with them - it's heavier and duller than most euro rubbers, and even other hybrids like Donic Bluegrip. 

I'm really being picky as Rakza Z is fast enough, and only slightly slower than K3. But in this case, the marketing is right, something with the factory boosting is just one level above Rakza Z, it's almost like K1 Euro harder and slightly faster too!

It is a hybrid - it's the same thing (just depends on your definition) - by your definition K3 is also euro rubber that's tacky, I call it a 39.5deg hybrid (says on packaging).
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There is something to say for wanting lighter rubbers-to get the right overall weight set-up one likes. I play with LP on one side so more weight on my inverted side is a plus for me. I really like razkaZ-I find it very linear. 
By saying that it does not seem like a hybrid I guess I mean that it is tacky, but I can play loop and do topspin play with exactly the same stroke I used for rasanter R47. I play with it like it is a euro rubber. But it i

There is a 15 dollar price difference between K3 and RZ at TT11.

But back to K3....
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I have also tested several of those "hybrid" rubbers like Butterfly Dignics 09C, Nittaku Sieger P50, DHS Hurricane 8-80 and Hurricane 3-50, Joola Golden Tango and Golden Tango Powersponge, Donic Bluegrip R1 and Yasaka Rakza Z.

Actually I am playing with Rakza Z on forehand, because ...
Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

I really like razkaZ-I find it very linearBy saying that it does not seem like a hybrid I guess I mean that it is tacky, but I can play loop and do topspin play with exactly the same stroke I used for rasanter R47. I play with it like it is a euro rubber.
and because of the fact that the over all speed is not as fast as hell and very controllable.
That's the reason why I play with RZ on forehand (T05 on backhand).

In the last days I tested the Tibhar Hybrid K3 during 2 training sessions and like the feeling. K3 is not really tacky, but extremely grippy. It is a big fun to loop with this rubber, because it grips the ball at least as good as Tenergy 05 or better.

If I compare K3 with Butterfly rubbers, it does not feel like Dignics 09C. It is more a combination of Dignics 05 and Tenergy 05. For me K3 has the feeling of T05 with the speed of D05. This sounds very positive for a Tibhar rubber (especially if I compare it with the prices of those Butterfly rubbers), but for me this high speed is a little disadvantage in the moment, because it is (like D05) a bit too fast for me (at least on my actual blade). 

For lower level players like me the higher control of rubbers like Tenergy 05 or Rakza Z seems to be more important than the higher speed of K3 or D05. But if you are playing at a higher level and prefer to power-loop, do not hesitate to test the new K3, because you will like it. I really do not see any argument to buy a D05 instead of K3.

Personally I have 2 options: 
1. I will continue playing with Rakza Z because of the higher control.
2. I could switch to a more controlled blade, paired with K3 on both sides.

As our season will have a break between the middle of November and the middle of January, I will test the K3 with 1-2 AR (+) blades in these 2 months. But for the moment Rakza Z is still my favourite.
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Another comment, out of the box, black is slightly tackier. Red works well for the FH though, but better suited for BH side.

I play both sides as I don't lose enough speed to justify going full euro. In fact, I think overall it is faster than a T05 (unless you count the really light shots a lot). I can rip backhands more efficiently with K3

I bought right now both colors and I cannot appreciate differences in terms of tackiness
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My sheet has arrived and I am giving it a go tomorrow. I ordered through a friend and although I knew it would be more expensive than the usual Tibhar price I toyed with the thought of skipping meals for a few days - just kidding. Yet, I expect it to be as good as the reviews say. I have also ordered myself a Donic Bluegrip C2 that I will be putting on my Viscaria. The K3 will most probably go on my Tibhar Szocs for the time being but in the long run I will be using it on the Viscaria.
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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

My sheet has arrived and I am giving it a go tomorrow. I ordered through a friend and although I knew it would be more expensive than the usual Tibhar price I toyed with the thought of skipping meals for a few days - just kidding. Yet, I expect it to be as good as the reviews say. I have also ordered myself a Donic Bluegrip C2 that I will be putting on my Viscaria. The K3 will most probably go on my Tibhar Szocs for the time being but in the long run I will be using it on the Viscaria.
 

Did you try the rubber? Can you please compare it to other hybrid rubbers as well like dignify 09c.
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I came off Butterfly rubbers a long time ago and I have not had one in 5 years so I cannot compare the HK3 to anything Butterfly.

As for my thoughts, it is a very good rubber indeed. However, it is not as special as the reviews might suggest. If I look at the prices of similar rubbers on TT11 to compare: HK3 costs 63,4 EUR,  Donic Bluegrip C2 52,81 EUR, Victas Triple Double Extra 52,81 EUR I find a 10 EUR difference which does not manifest itself in performance compared to its competitors.

Why did I say that? I bought a C2 along with this new Tibhar wonder and tested them yesterday in training. I am convinced that the sponge under C2 and the Tibhar HK3 is the same and the difference lies in the topsheet: the Tibhar's is visibly thinner and the pimples are a tad smaller and perhaps a little more densely spaced.

I put the C2 on my Viscaria and the HK3 on a Tibhar Szocs. In terms of endspeed we did not see a significant difference between the two. Spinwise, both of them are terrific.

How it compares to other hybrids? The original Hybrid K1 Euro pales in comparison to this new rubber in every possible way, that is for sure. Other than that, I have tried the aforementioned C2 / C1 and Victas TDE. The difference is the way the topsheet bites and releases the ball.

The THK3's topsheet is more rigid but still grips the ball fantastically in terms of ESN rubbers. The C2, C1 and the Victas TDE (I know it is made in China) have a slightly more supple topsheet that bears resemblence to the way the Bluestorm series  work in spite of them being a hybrid. Therefore they lose a little edge on close to the table opening topspins. The THK3 fixes this and is noticeably harder from the topsheet, taking it closer to a Hurricane Neo 3, for example. You can be more aggressive with it from close up. This rigidity also translates into less catapult compared to the others. Blocking against strong topspin is easier. It is adequately fast up to 2-3 meters from the table.

The throw angle is definitely lower than C2. As far as spin goes, I do not think it is spinnier.

So in summary, in terms of feel, this hybrid comes the closest to a H3 Neo that I have come accross. There is a lot more speed to it, too. It is a step forward from the relentlessly catapulty rubbers such as Z1 and its equivalents because is a rubber at long last that leaves the user more say into what arc they want to produce on loops which is especially important in my view. However, I do not see that somebody using a C2 would be at a disadvantage against a THK3 user. I think the price difference is not justified.

Please bear in mind that these are my first thoughts and by next Wednesday I will have probably moved my sheet to a Viscaria. I will give an update then.
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@Hans - In the K3 thread on a german tt forum several posters stated that contrary to Tibhar's advertizing spiel K3 is not really tacky like H3, just very grippy. Care to comment on that aspect of K3?
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

@Hans - In the K3 thread on a german tt forum several posters stated that contrary to Tibhar's advertizing spiel K3 is not really tacky like H3, just very grippy. Care to comment on that aspect of K3?
It is the same level as Rakza Z at best
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

@Hans - In the K3 thread on a german tt forum several posters stated that contrary to Tibhar's advertizing spiel K3 is not really tacky like H3, just very grippy. Care to comment on that aspect of K3?
It is the same level as Rakza Z at best

Thx. I'll stick with K2 then.
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K3 is far away from the tackiness of Rakza Z. It is NOT tacky from my definition, but VERY grippy. 

Don't misunderstand this. Although K3 is not tacky, you are able to produce as much spin with it as you get with Rakza Z or other hybrid rubbers - especially if you are used to European rubbers normally.

K3 is also very linear. Short game is really easy because it is not bouncy in this part of the game.
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K3 picked up a ball for the same time as Rakza Z in my testing (just for a short time), or slightly less
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Which ESN rubber is really tacky?
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Is Hybrid K1 Euro professional similar to Razka Z? 
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Which ESN rubber is really tacky?

None of them?
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