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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by LongLips LongLips wrote:

I can't read japanese. Could you say what the 3 weaknesses are Mizutani identified?
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One the whole, he said that Harimoto was living in a comfortable training environment with family and parents etc.  He said Harimoto didn't play under enough adverse conditions and in enough competitive situations to learn how to adapt to opponents under pressure.  Also, the competitive situation in the T-League wasn't good enough.  I might have missed something here or there but that is the bulk of it - basically Mizutani was encouraging the up and coming Japanese to leave the country and play under more competitive and uncomfortable situations in foreign countries.  Too often if things didn't go well for Harimoto, Harimoto focused too often on what was wrong with himself, rather than figuring out what to do to make his opponent more uncomfortable, and that was in Mizutani's view largely a result of not having dealt with competitive pressure in uncomfortable circumstances on a regular basis.

Interesting.  This is an issue at all levels, even at the levels a lot of us are at here at MyTT.  If I try to look back objectively, Mizutani's description of Harimoto's problem is how I would have described my own fundamental weakness and why it persisted (obviously, at a vastly lower level of play).  The same psychology and the same constantly comfortable training environment.  If you really want to get better you have to seek out environments and players you hate to play.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DonnOlsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/18/2022 at 10:00pm
Hi,

One intriguing question is who will come with him?  Is it Dad? Is it Mom?  Is it neither?  

Also, who will be his primary developmental coach?

Also, his parents brought over Chinese training partners to Japan for him.  Will these training partners now accompany him to Europe?  A many-year prevalent thought is that the Asian systems have superior training environments than are typically found in Europe.  Without passing judgment on the accuracy of the prior statement, we have proof of the opinion that Japan as Japan was insufficient for his development, thus the Chinese training partners.  From this I'm betting on the European augmentation of the Chinese training partners for him.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BeaverMD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/01/2022 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:



This honestly didn't come as a surprise, as Mizutani has spoken on Harimoto's 3 weaknesses and that the Japanese players are "wasting time" in the T.League.

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/150450628
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/152178940

The Miz spewing out some TRUTH!

I understand the first two disadvantages: environment is too good, and focus on self (not adjusting to opponent).  But what is the third one "he will be out of order as soon as he arrives at the competition" where he also talks about "negative shell".  Of course, I'm using Google Translate.

Also, did Miz really say for the Japanese players it was a "waste of time" to play in the T2? The folks at T2 can't be pleased with those comments.  Again, maybe something is lost in translation.
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The third one is about how he plays below par in the majors, that he plays safe. This negative tendency is common for everyone, the bigger the tournament, but he has to break that "negative shell". He has a great potential but he has yet to break that shell.

He said local players playing in the T.League is a waste of time.
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Originally posted by zhuangcorp7 zhuangcorp7 wrote:

Actually why doesn't Harimoto play in the China Super League? He should find the best competition over there. 


Harimoto is familiar with the Chinese system and styles, but not with European culture and styles.
It is common for many Asians (not so much Chinese), to spend some time in Europe and to further learn the game of table tennis in a "European manner".

It isn't just a playing style, but rather the entire system, and how they have a lot more fun than the East.
Then playing style wise, you also playing against, bigger and more stronger players that play away from the table. It is quite a cultural shock and require time to adapt and I think this will allow Harimoto to mature more.

Well, at least that is why Lin is there.


Edited by ZApenholder - 05/12/2022 at 2:07am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stiltt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/11/2022 at 9:32pm
Welcome back ZApenholder, we missed you! (I used to be fatt)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ZApenholder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/12/2022 at 2:08am
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Welcome back ZApenholder, we missed you! (I used to be fatt)


Thank you stiltt/fatt.
why the name change, when did you change haha.
Yeah, been quite a few years.....
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