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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Hitomi Sato has had her chances, but just hasn't produced any results the past few years.

Sato: I don't know how many you define as few and since much of 2020 and 2021 didn't exist, I'd say my record has not been too shabby the "last 2 years".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBJzgapRJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgT-hph9zW0

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As for the final, Hirano is among the "worst" against defenders, so Ojio stands a chance here if she can manage to disrupt the flow and get a head start.

Hirano's last match against JNT defenders?
JTTA Asian Games 2022 Qualifier
https://tttv.jp/video/2339

Ojio's last matches against JNT teammates?
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Hitomi Sato has had her chances, but just hasn't produced any results the past few years.

Sato: I don't know how many you define as few and since much of 2020 and 2021 didn't exist, I'd say my record has not been too shabby the "last 2 years".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBJzgapRJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgT-hph9zW0
2021 did exist and Sato participated.  Sato did well against a ready to retire Ding Ning.  But she's also lost *twice* to Shin Yubin (who Ojio beat) at the 2021 ATTC and 2021 WTT Star Contender Doha II.  She's also lost to Lee Zion (who Ojio beat in this tournament) at the 2020 German Open and Kim Nayeong at the 2022 WTT Contender Zagreb.  And with Ojio now having beaten China's top junior it's clear she is improving.  To be fair, Sato has had success years ago when she was the Chellenge queen, but it's time to give other defenders (Ojio, Hashimoto) chances to play internationally.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Hitomi Sato has had her chances, but just hasn't produced any results the past few years.

Sato: I don't know how many you define as few and since much of 2020 and 2021 didn't exist, I'd say my record has not been too shabby the "last 2 years".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBJzgapRJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgT-hph9zW0
2021 did exist and Sato participated.  Sato did well against a ready to retire Ding Ning.  But she's also lost *twice* to Shin Yubin (who Ojio beat) at the 2021 ATTC and 2021 WTT Star Contender Doha II.  She's also lost to Lee Zion (who Ojio beat in this tournament) at the 2020 German Open and Kim Nayeong at the 2022 WTT Contender Zagreb.  And with Ojio now having beaten China's top junior it's clear she is improving.  To be fair, Sato has had success years ago when she was the Chellenge queen, but it's time to give other defenders (Ojio, Hashimoto) chances to play internationally.

I think Sato won a significant tournament recently in Japan.
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Ojio is only 16, Miwa is 14. 
Japan just keep producing good talents. It is a table tennis factory.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ojio is only 16, Miwa is 14. 
Japan just keep producing good talents. It is a table tennis factory.


The result of having TT in elementary school age already.
Start at early grades, then you will get the reward.

No different in Korea and Taiwan.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Hitomi Sato has had her chances, but just hasn't produced any results the past few years.

Sato: I don't know how many you define as few and since much of 2020 and 2021 didn't exist, I'd say my record has not been too shabby the "last 2 years".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBJzgapRJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgT-hph9zW0
2021 did exist and Sato participated.  Sato did well against a ready to retire Ding Ning.  But she's also lost *twice* to Shin Yubin (who Ojio beat) at the 2021 ATTC and 2021 WTT Star Contender Doha II.  She's also lost to Lee Zion (who Ojio beat in this tournament) at the 2020 German Open and Kim Nayeong at the 2022 WTT Contender Zagreb.  And with Ojio now having beaten China's top junior it's clear she is improving.  To be fair, Sato has had success years ago when she was the Chellenge queen, but it's time to give other defenders (Ojio, Hashimoto) chances to play internationally.

I think Sato won a significant tournament recently in Japan.
Only one I know of is the Japan Table Tennis League Big Tournament she won on Apr 23, 2022 over Keika Song in the finals .... I could be wrong, but I think she was the only JNT or JNT candidate player.  
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ojio is only 16, Miwa is 14. 
Japan just keep producing good talents. It is a table tennis factory.


The result of having TT in elementary school age already.
Start at early grades, then you will get the reward.

No different in Korea and Taiwan.

Agreed, Zapenholder.
The only difference is these kids are already playing senior international competition for Japan at only 13, 14 year old.
Case in point: The Harimoto siblings.
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What do you fear more - defenders or bugs?
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IKR!  Poor Hirano, has to deal with both Ojio and attacking flying insects.  Sounds like the audience consists of 1 person... an Ojio fan.
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Hirano is really not that good at playing against defenders 
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usually fast players like lily and Hirano are not good at playing against choppers?

Ito is good because of her backhand pips?
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Hirano vs Ojio
G5 3:7, 9:9, 10:9, 10:10, 12:10

First title in 5 years for Hirano.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

usually fast players like lily and Hirano are not good at playing against choppers?

Ito is good because of her backhand pips?
It's not just about her pips.  Professor against Defense Mima Ito is very good about controlling the length of her FH topspin.  Congrats to Miu for pulling through, and congrats to Haruna for a fantastic tournament taking down Kuai Man along the way.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

usually fast players like lily and Hirano are not good at playing against choppers?

Ito is good because of her backhand pips?

Are you seriously comparing Hirano with Zhang An? How many choppers has the latter defeated?

Ito and Hirano/Hayata are similar to MLin/WLQ in terms of FH(Q: Who has the most powerful forehand), where the former is best technique-wise, and the latter is best fundamental-wise.

Qatar Open 2009 was right before WTTC 2009. You'd think WLQ was worse than MLin.
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Edited by zeio - 06/26/2022 at 1:07pm
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WTT Feeder Westchester 2022
Ojio 4-1 Zhang An(14:16, 11:3, 11:0, 11:3, 11:4)

Anyone who watches the highlight would get the impression Zhang An could hold her own.

Highlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJshDIQZHvw
Full match
https://youtu.be/QBWlpLinaGQ?t=5197

Edited by zeio - 06/26/2022 at 1:06pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
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It has been so long since the last final where two FH-oriented players duke it out like real men do.

XD: CHN
WD: HKG
MD: KOR
WS: JPN
MS: KOR

Asia: All your base are belong to us.

Edited by zeio - 06/26/2022 at 1:33pm
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ojio is only 16, Miwa is 14. 
Japan just keep producing good talents. It is a table tennis factory.

Forever I've been in awe of the Japanese system for their development of girls and women.  Outside the god-like Chinese, there is no comparison with other countries (or continents).

Their new professional league was started, as stated a number of times by the creators, as an attempt to take the one last step: to be at the Chinese level.  They have a chance; for sure they have a chance at this goal which is at a degree of difficulty higher than of any that is imaginable in sport.  While already astronomical, they need to get to the galaxy station.  I'm rooting for them and hold the highest appreciation for their current status and future prospects.

This dynamic over the next several years will be among the most intriguing to watch closely.  We have nothing like it at the system's level in our sport, as we are limited in excitement generation to the occasional shooting star like Truls to ponder the possibilities.  

As it is somewhat interesting to see, for instance, which of the European Men's team is the best in Europe, nothing holds the richness for attention and intrigue as the Japanese women's train picking up steam.  The youngness of an Ito and a Hirano is easy to mis-perceive as they have been visible to us for some considerable time.  They represent a lead with oh so much talent thundering forward closely in their wake.  

In a quintessentially individual sport such as table tennis, to have before us in the years to come this a most privileged seat, one guaranteed to bring forth the best the sport has to offer, of battles with a nation-to-nation flavor, a privilege of viewing to be cherished.

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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ojio is only 16, Miwa is 14. 
Japan just keep producing good talents. It is a table tennis factory.

Miwa was taught and trained by her father  and coach SUN XUEW not the Jtta that got a fully developed player like tomokazu


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