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    Posted: 07/28/2022 at 4:56pm
Story below was released on 6 November 2020, at the height of the pandemic


In the middle of the article it says

"At one tournament she had the rubber ripped off her bat, just before she was about to play, to prevent her playing in the final, that was very disturbing," Schick said

Does anyone down under (or elsewhere) have more information on this ?

Nancy Kerrigan & Tonya Harding ?


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Probably someone who took the pips hate too far from the sounds of it.
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Sounds like bullying or power hungry to me

The roles of these national federation needs to be clear - to develop the sport and allow its development to reach professionalism.
They can't hold grudges against anyone....

NZTT needs some PR, or otherwise, some pro bona lawyer should step in and helped all abusers sort out what is right and wrong for the sake of the community at large.

And all these countries that appoint you a national coach... its okay if the coach is high level, but most times, the coach is just a passenger, has never or hardly worked with the player  and on the totally difficult tune. Just 1 of these if true, then, it doesn't make sense.

TT is an individual sport and you should be able to bring your own coach to individual tournaments.
Of it is a team tournament, then yes, national fed can appoint a coach.

Seems like most 3rd world TT countries are stuck with the same mentality.


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lawyer should also get IOC/NZOC involved and have the entire TTNZ board dissolved should something deem illegal is found in court that related to power abuse


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"At one tournament she had the rubber ripped off her bat, just before she was about to play, to prevent her playing in the final, that was very disturbing," Schick said

sorry but above is not very clear - who and under what circumstances was the rubber ripped off?

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Well I know the coach involved and I can tell you from my personal experience and from what was explained to me there was no bullying. The coach simply asked some questions about the reason for the change and felt the player had good touch with smooth rubber and wondered why she had chosen to switch to pips both sides. It was taken very offensively by the player’s grandmother and got blown way out of proportion. 

They essentially refused to put the deposit money forward for an international event because that coach had been selected and so were warned if they didnt meet the pre-event requirements including deposit then they would be removed and replaced on the team and that happened accordingly which resulted in legal action.

It was a messy situation and honestly both the coach and player are very nice people, I think family got involved and really caused some major issues here when no harm was intended. I don’t know about the rubber ripping incident but I know it wasn’t the coach.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

lawyer should also get IOC/NZOC involved and have the entire TTNZ board dissolved should something deem illegal is found in court that related to power abuse

NZOC have zero interest in TTNZ, despite qualifying each time NZ havent been able to send players to the Olympics since 2004 and now also no players at two commonwealth games in a row.
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Originally posted by PingPongPom PingPongPom wrote:

Well I know the coach involved and I can tell you from my personal experience and from what was explained to me there was no bullying. The coach simply asked some questions about the reason for the change and felt the player had good touch with smooth rubber and wondered why she had chosen to switch to pips both sides. It was taken very offensively by the player’s grandmother and got blown way out of proportion. 

They essentially refused to put the deposit money forward for an international event because that coach had been selected and so were warned if they didnt meet the pre-event requirements including deposit then they would be removed and replaced on the team and that happened accordingly which resulted in legal action.

It was a messy situation and honestly both the coach and player are very nice people, I think family got involved and really caused some major issues here when no harm was intended. I don’t know about the rubber ripping incident but I know it wasn’t the coach.

It's always good to hear the other side of the story, thanks for the update PingPongPom! Thumbs Up
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But who ripped off the rubber.
Was the news burried, or did it not happen?
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A good question... hard to believe that an official would do this though...and the fact that the reporter seemed to be deliberately vague on this makes me think it was probably another player or bystander. That's still not right of course, but we don't know what happened after this.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

A good question... hard to believe that an official would do this though...and the fact that the reporter seemed to be deliberately vague on this makes me think it was probably another player or bystander. That's still not right of course, but we don't know what happened after this.


and is she still active?

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Originally posted by PingPongPom PingPongPom wrote:

Well I know the coach involved and I can tell you from my personal experience and from what was explained to me there was no bullying. The coach simply asked some questions about the reason for the change and felt the player had good touch with smooth rubber and wondered why she had chosen to switch to pips both sides. It was taken very offensively by the player’s grandmother and got blown way out of proportion. 

They essentially refused to put the deposit money forward for an international event because that coach had been selected and so were warned if they didnt meet the pre-event requirements including deposit then they would be removed and replaced on the team and that happened accordingly which resulted in legal action.

It was a messy situation and honestly both the coach and player are very nice people, I think family got involved and really caused some major issues here when no harm was intended. I don’t know about the rubber ripping incident but I know it wasn’t the coach.


I think the "old school" method of coach being appointed needs to be checked.

It makes sense if the appointed national coach knows the player very well, but many times the coach might only meet the player at the airport prior to the tournament outbound trip, or maybe few days before departure.

If it is young kids, then the appointed coach, isn't just a coach, but also a legal guardian and the kids family also needs to be comfortable. If it is a total stranger, then trust issues are not unfair.

Then, asking the players family to pay for the stranger coach - I think that is the worse thing that TTNZ can do.
I mean, if my kids are going overseas and if I must pay for a coach, I would want my chosen coach/legal guardian. If TTNZ is paying, then, they can decide who goes.

TT at most, teams event - you can have a national coach.
But if it is an individuals tournament, then it requires individual coaches - coaches who knows the player and the player can trust.
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Originally posted by PingPongPom PingPongPom wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

lawyer should also get IOC/NZOC involved and have the entire TTNZ board dissolved should something deem illegal is found in court that related to power abuse

NZOC have zero interest in TTNZ, despite qualifying each time NZ havent been able to send players to the Olympics since 2004 and now also no players at two commonwealth games in a row.



I see they send umpires....

So in NZ, if you want to become an international, don't be a player, become an umpire
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by PingPongPom PingPongPom wrote:

Well I know the coach involved and I can tell you from my personal experience and from what was explained to me there was no bullying. The coach simply asked some questions about the reason for the change and felt the player had good touch with smooth rubber and wondered why she had chosen to switch to pips both sides. It was taken very offensively by the player’s grandmother and got blown way out of proportion. 

They essentially refused to put the deposit money forward for an international event because that coach had been selected and so were warned if they didnt meet the pre-event requirements including deposit then they would be removed and replaced on the team and that happened accordingly which resulted in legal action.

It was a messy situation and honestly both the coach and player are very nice people, I think family got involved and really caused some major issues here when no harm was intended. I don’t know about the rubber ripping incident but I know it wasn’t the coach.


I think the "old school" method of coach being appointed needs to be checked.

It makes sense if the appointed national coach knows the player very well, but many times the coach might only meet the player at the airport prior to the tournament outbound trip, or maybe few days before departure.

If it is young kids, then the appointed coach, isn't just a coach, but also a legal guardian and the kids family also needs to be comfortable. If it is a total stranger, then trust issues are not unfair.

Then, asking the players family to pay for the stranger coach - I think that is the worse thing that TTNZ can do.
I mean, if my kids are going overseas and if I must pay for a coach, I would want my chosen coach/legal guardian. If TTNZ is paying, then, they can decide who goes.

TT at most, teams event - you can have a national coach.
But if it is an individuals tournament, then it requires individual coaches - coaches who knows the player and the player can trust.

It was for an Oceania Junior Championship event I believe so it was a national coach appointment for the team. Cost sharing for a team coach is how it has always been in New Zealand since there has essentially been zero funding on almost all occasions.
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