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    Posted: 12/21/2022 at 6:13am
Hi people,
My present setup:
joo se hyuk blade
gambler reflectoid 1,5 mm (both sides).
This is the ultimate combination for my game. It is fast on active balls and perfect feeling on slow balls. I can play good spin with the top-layer of the rubber (after the stickyness is gone it is best).
The active balls are fast because of the 1,5 mm really soft sponge, wich bottoms out on a flat hit, using the speed and angle of the JSH blade. 
Passive (blocking, chopping, chopblocks) it works almost as an anti-topspin rubber, only with a tacky surface :)

(NB I have used Giant Dragon Submarine Rubber, which is 100% the same as the Reflectoid.)

But:
both the JSH blade as the reflectoid / submarine rubbers have been discontinued. So I need to investigate alternatives. 
Does anyone know any blades close to the JSH? I read Diode V is a good alternative? Any other comparable blades from other brands?
And an alternative for reflectoid/submarine? Grippy surface with a sponge like anti, in 1,5 mm?

Hope to hear form you!
  
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spinlord Marder, anyone knows this rubber. It seems a bit like the gambler rubber? 
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Victas Koji Matsushita Offensive is closer to JSH than Diode. Diode have more flex, it is elastic wood compared to JSH and VKMO. JSH is still faster than VKMO, so there is no exact replacement. 
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Hi...I rarely experiment with new rubbers.  Over a year ago, I switched from Gambler Reflectoid to Giant Dragon Submarine and I adapted immediately.  Are they really identical rubbers for sure? Or is that something that you think ?   I feel that my attack with topspin is better with Submarine.  Maybe its psychological only.  Additionally, I found that the Submarine is more durable and lasts longer than the Reflectoid did.

The reason that I changed is that the Reflectoid was removed from the LARC (list of approved rubbers by the ITTF).  Currently Submarine is still approved.  We will see if it stays on the LARC list for 2023.  If yes, then you can still find the rubber for sale at several online stores in the EU (mainly in Germany) and then you will still have at least one year to find and adjust to new rubbers.

I am also curious to know what would be a suitable replacement.  On paper, the Spinlord Marder (not Marder 2 or 3 or 4) looks very promising. 

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What will be the reason for ban of reflectoid? Not paying by manufacturer to ITTF?
Anyway the rubber is not particularly extreme in anything, it's quite basic in fact.

Anyway i go for the matsushita off- marder1,5 mm combi, both sides. Just ordered it, will take a couple days more because not everything is in stock and things are slower around new year... :)

If anyone interested I will give feedback on the differences with JSH/reflectoid/submarine combi. 



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it's not really a ban on Reflectoid....they stopped manufacturing and selling the rubber and didnt want to continue to pay the ITTF to be on the approved rubbers list.  I hope that doesn't happen this year with Giant Dragon Submarine as I have 10 of them and I really like this rubber a lot.  The only thing I dont like about this rubber is that I need to put on a new one every 2 months as the quality of spin decreases over time...but they are really cheap (under 14 Euros), so it's not so bad.  I can execute topspins with this rubber and flat kill shots on high balls, although I mainly use it for serving and off the table chopping on both forehand and backhand as I am a traditional chopper that twiddles.

I am really interested on knowing how the Spinlord Marder performs for you compared to Reflectoid or Submarine.  I dont plan on changing blades.  Will you receive the Marder soon?
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Have you tried the Air Defender rubber? It is fairly affordable and available from ColesTT.com. Unfortunately it is not all that similar to Reflectoid because Reflectoid is a special rubber, shame that it is not offered anymore but it truly was made for a specific playing style, but it shares a bit more similarities with Submarine, it is a soft topsheet soft sponge rubber with good grip.
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If you have a couple of JSH blades there is absolutely no reason to change blades. 
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Yes I played with the Air defender in the past, on the JSH. I don't think I was as satisfied with it as with Reflectoid, but I developped my game to use this kind of rubbers, so I don't really know. 
Defender was not tacky like reflectoid/submarine. (which, I am convinced, are exactly the same. I used both on one blade and tehy age the same. I have both new on my blade and I can turn black to FH without noticing. Sponge different colour but 100% the same.)
I also remember having played once with a globe 999 with a special soft chop sponge. 



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Get the Diode V. It's pretty close. I used to play with JSH, then moved to VKMO (~3 yrs) and now been using Diode for a coupe years.  As mentioned above Diode is faster than VKMO...   I personally think the only real difference between JSH and Diode is their thickness: 5.9 vs 5.7mm, JSH being slightly thicker.  
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Hi...I just saw that the new List of Approved Rubbers came out from the ITTF......and Giant Dragon Submarine is still on the current list.

For how long are these approvals normally valid for?  On the ITTF website, it is written that the  "PERIOD OF VALIDITY: from 1 January 2023 to 31 March 2023".

And, although its not as easy as in the past, you can still purchase Giant Dragon Submarine from quite a number of websites in the EU.  I have stocked up and bought quite a few in order to not have to search for them (and its not an expensive rubber......about 15 Euros).  I just hope that this rubber continues to stay on the ITTF approved rubbers list.  As a chopper who chops far from the table, this rubber works great for me on one side with long pips on the other side of the racket.  
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does anyone bother a rubber not being on this list anymore? I suppose it depends what level you play? Nobody ever looks at it, maybe only on the highest/pro level? 
Maybe it is different when you play with pimples that have forbidden characteristics and have been banned for that reason, but submarine/reflectoid are very standard rubbers...


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Originally posted by pongp pongp wrote:

does anyone bother a rubber not being on this list anymore? I suppose it depends what level you play? Nobody ever looks at it, maybe only on the highest/pro level? 
Maybe it is different when you play with pimples that have forbidden characteristics and have been banned for that reason, but submarine/reflectoid are very standard rubbers...



Never seen it come up at a tournament. I have played against some ancient sheets. I think I had my blade and rubber inspected at one tournament in my life...

I think the main problem is once a rubber is no longer made, replacing it becomes problematic. 
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