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Ryan W ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 02/14/2023 Location: Medford,MA Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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This question is for twiddler & other coaches in this forum What methods do you use to identify talent say during your coaching sessions. I think this also will vary vastly depending on age There may be many other factors. I am sorry but I have no table tennis examples But I have always been fascinated by how talent scouts work in major pro sports like NFL, NBA etc. How was the decision made that Lebron or Kobe can bypass high school for example I know there were significant busts but then again lot of Heisman winners were also failures & I think nobody wanted Tom Brady (initially) And I think twiddler was drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates baseball pro team. How did twiddler (his parents) choose tabletennis ? And why ? Edited by Ryan W - 02/14/2023 at 2:21pm |
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Twiddler ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 07/18/2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 219 |
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I chose table tennis because Ping-Pong diplomacy had just happened in 1971. Table tennis was popular and in the news.
The USTTA had just announced the 1st ever tryouts for the National team and I wanted to go for that and decided to train for 6 months for them. I made the team and baseball was behind me for good. BTW I was not drafted just scouted. Looking for a player's potential - 1. Do they want to learn. 2. D they have the hops with their feet. 3. Talent is overrated. Hard work can surpass talent with passion. 4. Is there anything unique about them? Style, Physical, smart, innovative etc......
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Lightspin ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 07/11/2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 419 |
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In table tennis "talent" is a myth. Ma Long was refused entry into a team in China when he was younger. He had to play for a different province. He got better and the rest is history. I know a guy whose coach badmouthed him and didn't want to coach him. After they parted ways, he made the national team of his country a few years later. I also know of several people who would have been deemed athletically hopeless compared to other kids and ended up 2500+ simply because they played nonstop.
So, to me, the most important thing is a desire to play all the time. The people I have known to get to a decent level do nothing but play table tennis. They love to play. They play every chance they get whether that is 2 hours a day or 8 hours a day. Find a kid who is obsessed with the game and has the time and desire to play a ton of hours and you will find a good candidate for someone who will improve and go far. |
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Ryan W ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 02/14/2023 Location: Medford,MA Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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I strongly disagree
No it is not possible. In their very youth (say age 12 or 13) many such players may have been deemed unfit but they could be late bloomers when they reach age of 17 or 18 etc, Also you need to have some basic innate talent to reach 2500+. Are you saying just about anyone can reach 2500+ if they play everyday nonstop ? I don't think so. In tabletennis any player that reaches about 2300 or 2400 has almost super human athletic talent & if they crack 2500 they are most definitely athletically almost super human. There seems to be a myth or misplaced fantasy among tabletennis players that if you just keep practising everyday just looping both wings for hours that you can become like Ma Long or Waldner. Yes you certainly can train to maximize your potential & consistency in executing various strokes such as loop but there is a saturation point for every player depending on their (God or whoever given innate) talent. They just are not going to get any better or become Ma Long or Waldner even if they practise 24 / 7. That is delusional. Edited by Ryan W - 02/14/2023 at 4:13pm |
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bard romance ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 02/18/2016 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 1123 |
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It happens all the time. If you think that every "2300 or 2400" player out there has "almost super human athletic talent" I question whether you've ever even seen a USATT tournament. Did you just compare 2500 to Waldner and Ma Long? |
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Ryan W ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 02/14/2023 Location: Medford,MA Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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What happens all the time ? A person with limited talent practises everyday & breaks 2500 ? REALLY
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How is that ? What I implied was that a player cannot break even 2500 if they do not have enough talent let alone become a Waldner or Ma Long. Thanks for twisting it. |
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bard romance ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 02/18/2016 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 1123 |
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"There seems to be a myth or misplaced fantasy among tabletennis players that if you just keep practising everyday just looping both wings for hours that you can become like Ma Long or Waldner. Yes you certainly can train to maximize your potential & consistency in executing various strokes such as loop but there is a saturation point for every player depending on their (God or whoever given innate) talent. They just are not going to get any better or become Ma Long or Waldner even if they practise 24 / 7. That is delusional." It was stated that low-talent players can get to 2500. Not Waldner or Ma Long's level. |
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Ryan W ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 02/14/2023 Location: Medford,MA Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Regardless of whether you yourself are a 2000+ player or not, I don' t think you fully comprehend how hard it is for most players to reach a real rating of even 2000 in tabletennis with limited talent, let alone 2500. |
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bard romance ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 02/18/2016 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 1123 |
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I have seen the training journeys of many many players who broke 2000 and 2500. So with all due respect, you are completely wrong, and it is pretty clear you are either a troll or "confidently incorrect". Edited by bard romance - 02/14/2023 at 8:37pm |
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Ryan W ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 02/14/2023 Location: Medford,MA Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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OK I understand. I am wrong & you are correct. These players you talk about, especially those who who broke 2500, have no talent Yes I am both a troll & "confidently incorrect" May be you can coach me to get to 2500. How much would you charge me for that, if I may ask |
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bard romance ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 02/18/2016 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 1123 |
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"3. Talent is overrated. Hard work can surpass talent with passion." Funny how you got your answer from Twiddler already which is who you made this thread for, and it's the one answer you chose not to reply to.
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There are two kinds of coaches. One is always encouraging learners to play, which I endorse, and another is not when the coach perceives a player as lacking of talent and thus being hopeless, and persuades the player to abandon the idea of playing the sport.
In many cases, talent is only perceived subjectively, and thus a continuous variable. Through practice and good coaching, a learner can be a good player, e.g., over 2500 in ranking. But for some, no matter what practice or coaching, they cannot be that good because people differ in reaction, moving, force coordination, mental toughness, etc. But sports are for fun, and being good or not does not really matter. Participation and engagement are more important, and the outcome is less. |
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