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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

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In your case there is obvious motivation for lying, in Samson's case, "The sheriff's office said further charges are pending the outcome of the investigation"
We don't know if there could be a reason for lying. I'm not saying that there is or isn't. Let's wait as the facts come out and hope that the judicial process will come to the right conclusion. I'm just saying that we should not automatically believe one side without seeing any evidence first. I hope that the truth will come out, no matter what the truth is.
Normally I would support that sentiment, but in this case it is quite obvious a lot of stuff happened, with the star girl player clearly negatively impacted in her life and competition, I would say it doesn’t look good for him. No one wants to do that just to screw with him. Also did dubina’s wife say anything? 

Whether you would normally support the sentiment or not, the sentiment is entirely correct.  Unless you have evidence of something that is pretty strong, one should still reserve judgment because these are not the charges you usually file when "a lot of stuff" happened.

Even as charges, if light charges exist in this morbid realm of adults dealing with minors in a sexual fashion, these charges are as light as one can file while still serious, which I suspect is why they say further charges may be brought pending investigation. It is not just about whether someone wants to screw him, it might be that when what he did that was inappropriate comes to light, the details may be damning but may have some mitigating factors.  Because if he did the kinds of thing that was typically done by sexual offenders who serve significant jail time, these would not be the charges. But since investigation might reveal more serious stuff, that argument is only based on what has currently been filed.  And of course, these things are statistically under reported, so even understanding how this rose to the surface will help with perspective.
You basically said "things don't look good for him", but in a very informative way. Well written, and I thank you for that. But it doesn't look good for him.

Yes, but in the realm of uncertainty, especially when one is innocent until proven guilty, nuance matters.  Things may not look good for him, but they don't look like a repeat of the US Women's Gymnastics scandal either.  This looks like something with a more specific scope, but again, we need to wait for the details to make sense of it.
It is definitely not as bad, since no other juniors have come out with more cases...... yet. 
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Today is the court date, correct? Any updates?
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I am sad to read this topic. Any updates about the case?
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Yes, I am so sad too so how many years? Stern Smile
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Someone posted this on reddit - seems there was a protection order that is being removed or something - but who knows... the next date is in late October... it seems to contain the details of what he is accused of doing - while context matters, it is hard to imagine a good one...



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Third-degree misdemeanors are the least serious of the misdemeanors, but they can still result in severe penalties. You may be ordered to spend up to 30 days in prison and subject to other restrictive conditions depending on the charge.
I think above is what he was charged with.
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isn't "3rd degree misdemeanor" what the prosecution using when their case is rather thin?
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I guess the main thing would be staying off the sexual predator lists if that's possible 
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Please read the explanation for what I'll just write, but I was happy for the sake of the victim after I read that report!

And that is because, for what's written, it seems to be a situation of 'just' touching the breasts and nothing more serious. So I'm really happy that the victim did not suffer anything more serious. But, of course, it's still bad and wrong, but not as bad as something else that we hear on the news on a daily basis.

Btw, there's an information on that report that aloud me to identify the victim. But I'll be that guy on the internet that says he knows something and does not say what or how, I'm sorry but I won't write a word about it.

So probably the law in question is number (3) in here:
"(3) The offender knows that the other person, or one of the other persons, submits because of being unaware of the sexual contact."

Something that called my attention on the referred law was this:
"(B) No person shall be convicted of a violation of this section solely upon the victim's testimony unsupported by other evidence."

So if the defendant is under custody, I'll speculate that there's some kind of hard evidence like witnesses or video footage or something alike.
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Originally posted by casperl casperl wrote:

So probably the law in question is number (3) in here:
"(3) The offender knows that the other person, or one of the other persons, submits because of being unaware of the sexual contact."

Something that called my attention on the referred law was this:
"(B) No person shall be convicted of a violation of this section solely upon the victim's testimony unsupported by other evidence."

So if the defendant is under custody, I'll speculate that there's some kind of hard evidence like witnesses or video footage or something alike.

He hasn't been convicted, nor is he under custody...
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I have been getting a lot of Power Pong robot configuration videos in my youtube feed.  They are clearly new videos - seems someone is (still) okay with the Dubina brand.

PS: I just realized he is probably the one pushing the brand himself given there is a Biblical quote in the channel Power Pong logo.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I have been getting a lot of Power Pong robot configuration videos in my youtube feed.  They are clearly new videos - seems someone is (still) okay with the Dubina brand.

PS: I just realized he is probably the one pushing the brand himself given there is a Biblical quote in the channel Power Pong logo.

Yes, you make good money selling that robot on a drop-ship.  I'm sure he needs to push those kinds of sources of income now more than ever.

I don't suppose Attilla is going to do anything about it, nor do I think he has a moral obligation to do so.  Nobody else is out there making videos the quality of his.  I'm sure not.
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People should let all the facts come out before wildly speculating about what happened or didn't happen. 
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    • 3/1/23 SAMSON DUBINA, DID, ENGAGE IN SEXUAL CONDUCT WITH
    • JUVENILE FEMALE (DOB X/XX/XXXX), BY TOUCHING HER BREASTS,
    • NOT THE SPOUSE OF THE SAID SAMSON DUBINA, THE SAID SAMSON
    • DUBINA HAVING KNOWLEDGE THAT JUVENILE FEMALE SUBMITTED
    • BECAUSE JUVENILE VICTIM WAS UNAWARE THAT THE ACT WAS BEING
    • COMMITTED. IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 2907.06A3 OF THE OHIO
    • REVISED CODE, A MISDEMEANOR OF THE THIRD DEGREE
This is confusing, how could the victim be "unaware" if someone is touching your breasts. x


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Observer, you might want to black out that date of birth of the victim. (even though the public website shows it)

The "unaware" means the victim did not know what happened was a violation of Section 2907.06A3 of the Ohio Revised Code. (The state law)
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Nobody here knows what happened, except that a man's reputation and livelihood is gone because of an alleged class 3 misdemeanor. Pretty draconian. I'd delete this thread.
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I would only post the facts here when they are learned and nothing else. I referred several players to attend Samson's camps and it's safe to say we are all saddened and shocked.  
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Someone posted this on reddit - seems there was a protection order that is being removed or something - but who knows... the next date is in late October... it seems to contain the details of what he is accused of doing - while context matters, it is hard to imagine a good one...


    9/12/2023
    • TPO REMOVAL FAXED TO SUMMIT COUNTY SHERIFF
    • TPO RECALL MAILED TO DEFENDANT AND VICTIM
    • ORDER TERMINATING DTPO RECALLED BY JUDGE MCKENNEY. THIS
    • MATTER CAME BEFORE THE COURT UPON REQUEST OF THE ALLEGED
    • VICTIM TO TERMINATE, OR OTHERWISE RECALL IN IT ENTIRETY,
    • THE DVTPO PREVIOUSLY ISSUED.
Is there a lawyer in the house? Why would an alleged victim who is still currently a minor request to terminate a temporary protective order? Very strange.
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Sounds like Dubina's phone and personal effects were returned to him by the authorities after they held it for months presumably to investigate for evidence. This combined with the accuser choosing to withdraw the restraining order seems interesting.
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Sounds like Dubina's phone and personal effects were returned to him by the authorities after they held it for months presumably to investigate for evidence. This combined with the accuser choosing to withdraw the restraining order seems interesting.

The whole thing make very little sense based on what is public.
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I found this post to be extremely offensive. Attacking religious people for molesting children today?
"People with religious and community standing USE PRECISELY THOSE ELEMENTS to put themselves above suspicion and perpetrate/continue their abuse."

If you want to be honest, and I know you do. The majority of adults molesting children, that appear in the news today, are WOMEN and TEACHERS molesting young boys and it has nothing to do with religion. 

On a side note, this isn't the first time this has happened in table tennis. When i was young, many years ago, a top rated male was rumored to have a relationship with a young minor girl. These rumors were really well known and wide spread, and everyone looked the other way and no one did anything about it. No charges were filed, no arrests made. 
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I don't have a clue about Sampson's case, but I have seen how things can go wrong.

My grandson was wrestling with 4 other boys in his H.S. gym after a class.  That night the police arrested him and three of the other boys for gang raping the 5th boy.  He was taken to jail and released, but the four television networks picked up the story and the next day the local newspaper ran a story on the case.  The police were slow to investigate the case, but 4 days later dropped the case due to lack of evidence.  The school was small and everyone in the school knew who the four boys were.  
What really happened was that later that day one of the boys told his girlfriend about wrestling with his friends.  That girl told her friend about it, who told another friend who called the superintendent of the school about what she believed was a rape.  The superintendent immediately called the police.  

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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Sounds like Dubina's phone and personal effects were returned to him by the authorities after they held it for months presumably to investigate for evidence. This combined with the accuser choosing to withdraw the restraining order seems interesting.



December 4 -  the attorney files a motion to withdraw. Is this the attorney working for the prosecutor, or Dubina?

December 5 - New attorney files a notice of appearance: 

Why do attorneys withdraw from representation?

Lawyers can withdraw based on the fact their client refuses to be truthful, refuses to follow the attorney's advice, demands to pursue an unethical course of action, demands unrealistic results, desires to mislead the Court, refuses to cooperate with their counsel as well as countless other reasons.




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Ohio R. Prof'l. Cond. 1.16


(a) Subject to divisions (c), (d), and (e) of this rule, a lawyer shall not represent a client or, where representation has commenced, shall withdraw from the representation of a client if any of the following applies: (1) the representation will result in violation of the Ohio Rules of Professional Conduct or other law;(2) the lawyer's physical or mental condition materially impairs the lawyer's ability to represent the client;(3) the lawyer is discharged.

(b) Subject to divisions (c), (d), and (e) of this rule, a lawyer may withdraw from the representation of a client if any of the following applies: (1) withdrawal can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the interests of the client;(2) the client persists in a course of action involving the lawyer's services that the lawyer reasonably believes is illegal or fraudulent;(3) the client has used the lawyer's services to perpetrate a crime or fraud;(4) the client insists upon taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant or with which the lawyer has a fundamental disagreement;(5) the client fails substantially to fulfill an obligation, financial or otherwise, to the lawyer regarding the lawyer's services and has been given reasonable warning that the lawyer will withdraw unless the obligation is fulfilled;(6) the representation will result in an unreasonable financial burden on the lawyer or has been rendered unreasonably difficult by the client;(7) the client gives informed consent to termination of the representation;(8) the lawyer sells the law practice in accordance with Rule 1.17;(9) other good cause for withdrawal exists.
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Bard, are you sure of your interpretation?
1. The attorney withdrawing is the one who filed the motion to return property. Wouldn't that be the defendant's attorney?
2. This is a criminal trial, not civil. It's the Sheriff who is prosecuting the case. Why would the accuser even have an attorney? It seems more likely that the defendant is switching attorneys.


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Definitely not sure. I saw wording on the page earlier that seemed to indicate Attorney Rich was working for the prosecutor but your explanation may be correct. 

Anyone more familiar with the legal process who can explain what it means that the property collected for evidence gathering was returned long ago, yet the hearing seems to continue to be pushed back?
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