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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

I wonder if WMY will withdraw like last time after beating Ito at WTT SCT ESS 2022.

So WMY wants the bonus points.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=93247&PID=1141469&title=team-chinas-race-to-paris-2024-singles#1141469

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Am I dreaming or has Harimoto played really badly this year?
I checked his to date win ratio on the WTT website and it showed 52%? Is this for real??
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Wow WYD is like the new Zhu Yuling - very good at dismantling her sisters but first to crumble. 
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Am I dreaming or has Harimoto played really badly this year?
I checked his to date win ratio on the WTT website and it showed 52%? Is this for real??
He's had a tough 2023.  He's got 500 points expiring on Nov 21 which will drop him out of the top 10.  That's not a bad thing as it'll give time to reflect and somewhat take the pressure off of him.
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Originally posted by StarLancer StarLancer wrote:

Wow WYD is like the new Zhu Yuling - very good at dismantling her sisters but first to crumble. 
This is her answer to all the flak she's been getting from her losses to Hayata and Kihara.  Good for her.
 

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No idea how they calculated this time.

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Harimoto
2023 22/34=64.7%

Edited by zeio - 11/05/2023 at 9:27am
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Ma Long lunging for the net ball and rolling on the ground brings back memories of his 2015 World Cup celebration - can't be good for his shoulder and neck. The old man should be more careful so he can win in Paris!
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is this a new player ke should people go and study WCT matches and learn how to play him?
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Ma Long lunging for the net ball and rolling on the ground brings back memories of his 2015 World Cup celebration - can't be good for his shoulder and neck. The old man should be more careful so he can win in Paris!

He is not playing singles in Paris.  These young guys are too dangerous. You need people who never get tired to implement the strategies. 
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if the young guys keep losing and Ma Long keeps reaching tournament finals then the cnt might have no choice 😁
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LYJ will be No. 7 and Felix No.6 when the rankings updated?

This is a great final between ML and LYL, techniques and strategies wise... Much better than a final between ML and WCQ (boring..)
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That cracking sound from LYJ's backhand flick is quite scaring.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

LYJ will be No. 7 and Felix No.6 when the rankings updated?

This is a great final between ML and LYL, techniques and strategies wise... Much better than a final between ML and WCQ (boring..)
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Originally posted by StarLancer StarLancer wrote:

Wow WYD is like the new Zhu Yuling - very good at dismantling her sisters but first to crumble. 


The coaches of the Chinese women's team are very happy, I think... Hina Hayata is firmly pushed back to 5th place in the rankings...Along the way, WMY also managed to raise...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Ma Long lunging for the net ball and rolling on the ground brings back memories of his 2015 World Cup celebration - can't be good for his shoulder and neck. The old man should be more careful so he can win in Paris!

He is not playing singles in Paris.  These young guys are too dangerous. You need people who never get tired to implement the strategies. 
They can be young and dangerous but unable to handle the pressure of a big tournament like calderano and harimoto.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

is this a new player ke should people go and study WCT matches and learn how to play him?

And LJH. Perhaps F Lebrun as well.

The only core CNT player that has not lost to LYJ is LJK.

As of 11/5:
FZD 8 H2H 1 LYJ
LGY 6 H2H 2 LYJ
ML 5 H2H 4 LYJ
WCQ 5 H2H 4 LYJ
LJK 2 H2H 0 LYJ
LSD 1 H2H 0 LYJ
XP 0 H2H 2 LYJ

Edited by zeio - 11/05/2023 at 3:31pm
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WYD says she was rather lucky in beating WMY, that she never thought it would be in straight games, that she thought the title was in the bag being up 10:3 in G4 and was in a little panick after losing several points, that her mental state kept fluctuating. She also points out the match that left her the most impression is the one against Polcanova which proved very difficult, that her form got better and better afterward and that tight match helped her a lot in winning the title here.
WTT法兰克福赛王艺迪4-0王曼昱 成功问鼎女单冠军
https://www.sohu.com/a/734045685_114977
Quote "今天这场比赛我们两个人打得非常精彩,我最后一个球是个运气球,今天确实也是比较幸运吧,”赛后王艺迪谦虚地表示。具体点评比赛时王艺迪说,“对于4-0这个比分我确实也没有想到,今天第一局打得特别顺利,二、三局我在一度落后的情况下没有放弃,这是做得比较好的一点。第四局我10-3领先被曼昱10-11反超,�£会心理起伏波动比较大,队友也打得非常好。最后能赢球确实有些侥幸,打了人家一个擦网。”

�£如王艺迪所言,在今天胜出前三局之后,她在第四局一度10-3拿到7个冠军点,却被王曼昱一一救回并11-10实现反超。复盘这个“名场面”,王艺迪说,“10-3的时候自己想的就是要赢了,确实有些侥幸,被曼昱连续追的时候又有点慌。心态这种起伏,在场上忽悠忽悠的。”

王艺迪透露,本届赛事给自己留下最深刻印象的一场球就是首战与奥地利选手波尔卡诺娃的较量,“�£场球自己赢得很纠结,之后状态就越来越好了。最后能够拿到冠军,也是因为第一场球场上紧张激烈的程度,给了我后面很大的帮助。”首场比赛,王艺迪在8-11先输一局的情况下,11-7、11-3和11-7连扳三局胜出。

最后当被问及夺冠后如何庆祝时,王艺迪幽默地表示应该不会去逛街,“因为今天周末可能都不开门吧”。


LYJ says he didn't even dream of winning this title and so is very very happy, that he really and successfully played with the challenger mindset against ML who is a very strong player, and that he played very well in the last 4 games, executing the tactics decently, and the lucky points in tight moments helped him as well. He also expressed that he had made changes in technical and mental aspects that worked to some extent, and that he will keep it up down the road.
WTT法兰克福赛林昀儒逆转马龙登顶 赛后坦言做梦都想不到会夺冠
https://www.sohu.com/a/734083903_114977
Quote “真的是非常非常开心,说实在的,我做梦也不会想到可以拿下这个冠军,非常非常开心,”赛后虽然表情显得比较冷静,但林昀儒话语中还是流露出了喜悦的心情,“今天自己心态摆得非常好,毕竟(马龙)是很强大的对手,我真的是以挑战的心态来比赛的,今天也做到了。”

“这次比赛无论是在心态还是技术上都做出了一些改变,也取得了一些效果,接下来我会继续努力,”林昀儒坦言,因为后面还有很多比赛,所以自己要做的就是好好训练、好好准备。


原创 林昀儒为何能战胜马龙?本人说出3点原因,直言:做梦也不会想到
https://www.sohu.com/a/734065981_801690
Quote 比赛结束后,林昀儒在接受采访时直言“非常非常开心,自己真的说实在……做梦也不会想到能拿到这个冠军”,同时总结了自己决赛逆转马龙的三方面原因,表现得非常谦虚。

...

对此,林昀儒首先夸赞马龙等人是“非常非常强大的对手”,所以自己是“以挑战的心态”参加战斗:但是很显然,想夺冠是不可能光靠心态好就能做到的。

而除了心态方面,林昀儒还谈到了自己能在0-1落后的情况下连扳4局、逆转马龙的两个关键,其一是“战术处理很�£�”,其二则是“关键球有一些幸运球”,这才得以扭转乾坤。


ML says it was a very difficult match against F. Lebrun, that there were many moments he was trailing in the opening, middlegame and endgame of every game despite the 4-1 score, namely he hit a few beautiful defense-counter shots on the crucial points of G1 when he was behind 5-7 and wining that game was very important to winning the match. On the impact of F. Lebrun, ML stresses that age is irrelavant on the court and the fact that he could make the SF of WTT CS and being top 10 in world ranking prove that he is very capable and does not merely rely on youth and momentum.
马龙:赛场上不以年龄区分运动员 决赛将是势均力敌较量
https://www.sohu.com/a/733878717_114977
Quote “就像昨天说的,今天的比赛确实非常艰苦,”赛后接受采访时马龙先给这场半决赛定下了基调,“虽然看起来最后的局分是4-1,但每一局的前半局,包括中局,哪怕是尾局都有落后的时候。”具体复盘比赛时马龙认为第一局非常重要,“当时我一度5-7落后,接下来在几个关键球上自己的防守反击非常漂亮,赢下这一局对于整场比赛还是非常重要的。”

谈及F-勒布伦的冲击力,龙队强调在竞技体育中是以实力而不是年龄来区分运动员的,“对方既然能够打进冠军赛的半决赛,包括现在世界排名在前10之内,就证明是有很强能力的,而不仅仅依靠年轻和冲劲,因为赛场上是不分年龄的。”

展望明天的决赛,马龙依旧强调,与林昀儒对阵“比较难打”,“今年年初在新乡我输给了他,然后亚锦赛又赢了一次,应该说决赛将是一场势均力敌的较量,希望明天能有好的发挥,”马龙最后说。


WYD says her beating SYS came down to mindset.
WTT法兰克福赛王艺迪晋级决赛 坦言对阵孙颖莎胜在心态
https://www.sohu.com/a/733877303_114977
Quote “今天整场比赛我们两个人都发挥得特别好,过程也非常精彩,应该说我赢下来是比较困难的,”赛后王艺迪在接受采访时表示。在1/4决赛后她曾坦言,面对孙颖莎自己是很下�£�的球,在这种情况下晋级最终的决赛,王艺迪将胜利归因于心态,“今天主要胜在心态比较平稳,尤其是在局分2-1、第四局小分7-2领先的时候我有一个半高球的无谓失误,�£一局输完之后自己在第五局的调整还是挺快的,整体来说今天的心态和发挥都非常好。”

“我们两个人相互间非常熟悉,球路方面也很了�£,所以比赛的时候都是在一分分咬、一分分并,”王艺迪强调说。

展望决赛,王艺迪表示自己在国际赛场还没有战胜过王曼昱,所以在明天的较量中会以一个挑战者的姿态去迎接比赛,“打出自己的球是最重要的,”王艺迪最后说。


LYJ says he didn't think he could beat WCQ, that there were many lucky shots that went his way and he positioned himself as the challenger even after he was in the lead.
林昀儒:力克王楚钦不可思议 好好准备决赛放开拼
https://www.sohu.com/a/733870685_114977
Quote “很不可思议!”赛后接受采访时林昀儒坦言,之前与王楚钦较量都很下�£�,所以这场球自己也是以拼尽全力的心态去打的,“没有想到能够赢下比赛,非常开心”。谈及本场比赛获胜的关键,林昀儒提到了运气球,“我感觉今天有蛮多幸运球的,前面、后面都有不少。另外自己今天拼的心态非常好,领先的时候也还是坚持抱着去挑战他的心态。”

在前五局3-2领先的情况下,林昀儒在第六局一度8-0占据绝对主动,对于这个比分他表示,完全没有想到,“对这局来讲,我就是一球一球去打,努力准备而已。”


WMY says coming back from 3:8 in G1 set the tone for rest of the match against Hayata.
WTT法兰克福赛王曼昱晋级决赛 自�£伤情:这是家常便饭的事
https://www.sohu.com/a/733864027_114977
Quote “今天开局的时候打得还是有些拘谨和小心,试探性更多了一些,”赛后总结时王曼昱表示,在首局3-8落后的时候只想着一分分去打,而第一局能够逆转取胜对于整个比赛的走势来说很重要,“第二局打得比较顺利,第三局开局有些小受伤,对比赛稍稍有些影响,但过后还是能够专注在比赛中。”谈及第三局出现的伤情,王曼昱透露当时自己在击球过程中有点扭到左膝,“在打的过程中多多少少会受到一点影响,但这也是我们平时会遇到的情况。无论在训练还是比赛中,这也是家常便饭的事情。如何能够在受伤过程中赢下比赛,这也是对自己的一个挑战,”王曼昱强调指出。

当被问及第五局是如何在7平后连得四分锁定胜利时王曼昱表示,当时自己并没有去想比分如何,“我在场上一直在考虑怎么发接、怎么布置和执行战术。应该说相对于前两天,今天整个人还是更加专注,心态也更为平稳。”


WYD says she didn't expect to beat Ito with that score after the previous fierce encounter at ATTC 2023.
WTT法兰克福赛王艺迪零封伊藤美诚 展望半决赛自评处于下�£�
https://www.sohu.com/a/733760804_114977
Quote “这个比分我自己也没有想到,因为上一次亚锦赛交手时候两个人打得特别激烈,”赛后接受采访时王艺迪表示,本场比赛开局她的感觉就很不错,此外在前三板的处理以及心态上都比上一次更好一些。

尽管是连赢三局零封对手,但在比赛中王艺迪也遇到了一定的困难,第二局较量她就是在落后局面下奋起直追实现逆转的,“当时我有一分是运气球,关键还是在落后的局面下自己没有特别慌,依旧一分分去追,最后赢了下来,”复盘比赛时王艺迪说。

展望今天晚间与孙颖莎的女单半决赛,王艺迪坦言和这位队友交手自己“很下�£�”,“首先还是做好我该做的,争取半决赛能够发挥出水平来吧,”王艺迪最后说。


SYS says SYB changed a lot in terms of technical and tactical aspects, that she played much better than the last few times.
孙颖莎:首局输球在准备之中 落后时自信能后来居上
https://www.sohu.com/a/733644721_114977
Quote “今天整场比赛打得都非常胶着,我之前和申�£�斌交手过多次,感觉她今天技战术改变了很多,整体发挥也比前几次要好很多,”赛后接受采访时孙颖莎说,她表示赛前自己做了很充分的困难准备,所有首局落败并没有让她太过慌乱,“�£一局自己是在落后局面下追到10平后输的,很�£常”。

孙颖莎坦言,在前两局自己对于节奏的把控并不是非常理想,一直到拿下第二局进入三、四局之后才慢慢踩上了点。

�£如孙颖莎所言,今天的比赛始终比较胶着。在前两局双方战成1平后,她在关键的第三局一度7-10落后,不利局面下孙颖莎没有轻言放弃,连追三分抹平分差并最终以13-11赢下这一局,“关键是我在比赛中始终专注在每一分上,也相信自己是有机会把比分追回来,所以始终没有乱,”复盘比赛时孙颖莎强调指出。


Edited by zeio - 11/06/2023 at 9:33am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/06/2023 at 12:31pm
More on Harimoto. He says LYJ had a few more serve variations than himself and that got him confused. The match was decided in G1 and G3, namely when he missed the FH loopkill on the loose ball at 6:2 of G1 and then the FH loopkill that got blocked back at 6:6 of G3. For this match, he says LYJ had the upper hand in the small detail of serve and receive. Lastly, he points out LYJ reached the later rounds in Tokyo 2020, that despite himself being higher in world ranking recently, LYJ's table tennis looks really strong, and he feels he has to work on inadequate areas in the remaining half year before Paris 2024.

ベスト8の張本智和。左利きの林昀儒のサーブ「自分より何種類か多くて惑わされた」【卓球 WTTチ�£ンピオンズ】
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/11/031833.html
Quote 勝負を分けたのは第1ゲームと第3ゲーム。

「1ゲーム目の6-2で、ちょ�£と浮いてしま�£たフォアハンドのミスと、(ゲームカウント)1-1の6オールの浮いたボール。相手のバックに行�£たボールをパパーンと返されてしま�£た。防ぎようのあ�£たミスなので、そこはも�£たいなか�£たです」

第3ゲームまで互角のラリーを繰り広げていただけに、ほんの1本のミスが響いた。

そしてこの試合、左利きの林のサーブを張本がいかに攻略するかがひとつの鍵だ�£たが、「サーブ・レシーブの細かいところで、ちょ�£と相手の方が上だ�£た。左利きの選手の中でも特に林のサーブはいい」と話す。

例えば、2回戦で張本が勝�£たグロート(デンマーク)も左利きだが、「僕のチキータがも�£と入�£ていたんですけど、林選手のサーブは低か�£たり切れていたり、いろんな種類があ�£て惑わされた。自分よりサーブの種類が何種類か多くて、(自分のサーブに対し)チキータも相手の方が多く入�£ていた。僕もチキータから入りたか�£たですけど、そうさせてくれなか�£た」と振り返る。

大舞台で同世�£のライバルに敗れ辛酸を舐めた張本。

「東京オリンピックでも彼の方が上のラウンド(男子シングルス4位)に行�£てますし、ここ最近、世界ランクは僕の方が上かもしれないですけど、彼の卓球を見ていて本当に強いなと思う。パリオリンピックまであと半年、足りないところを練習していく必要があると思�£ています」と自身の現状を冷静に見つめていた。


Edited by zeio - 11/06/2023 at 12:33pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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LYJ is pushing more frequently on the BH receive instead of flipping everything--which is smart and trips up his opponents when they sometimes almost always expect the flip...but I wonder...is this on purpose or due to his wrist injury? He still looked quite bandaged up. Regardless, the threat of his BH flip and then the variation with BH push is so threatening... Ma Long was waiting for the BH flip numerous times and then the BH push came. Then in the rally, young gun LYJ out-gunned with 2-wing looping, Ma Long BH looked very one dimensional in comparison and needed to rely on the tried&true FH+footwork but with his age and the new meta, it seems like his days are numbered. As a diehard Ma Long fan though, I do want to say LYJ did get a lot of lucky points in that final set. Great match nonetheless.
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Originally posted by aerial aerial wrote:

LYJ is pushing more frequently on the BH receive instead of flipping everything--which is smart and trips up his opponents when they sometimes almost always expect the flip...but I wonder...is this on purpose or due to his wrist injury? He still looked quite bandaged up. Regardless, the threat of his BH flip and then the variation with BH push is so threatening... Ma Long was waiting for the BH flip numerous times and then the BH push came. Then in the rally, young gun LYJ out-gunned with 2-wing looping, Ma Long BH looked very one dimensional in comparison and needed to rely on the tried&true FH+footwork but with his age and the new meta, it seems like his days are numbered. As a diehard Ma Long fan though, I do want to say LYJ did get a lot of lucky points in that final set. Great match nonetheless.

I think that LYJ is pushing more often on purpose to add variation to his game. When he plays a Chiquita most of the time, the opponents get used to it and is ready to counter. For example, Aruna managed to do that well in his only win against LYJ iirc. In addition, he can handle long serves better (like in the final against ML) when he is not trying to Chiquita every serve.

The final was definitely an entertaining match with lots of great rallies.
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After watching many of the recent tournaments, excluding the China National Team players, I am wondering how many of the top players were trained in China and/or by coaches trained in China.
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