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Dave TG 
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 Topic: Table tennis as a NCAA, NAIA & NJCAA sportPosted: 10/21/2023 at 6:12pm |
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Has there been any attempts by NCTTA and or USATT to get table tennis added to NCAA, NAIA & NJCAA even into the lowest Divisions, to get your foot in the door , so to speak ?
I have no idea how what the process is & how hard it probably is & how the obstacles can be overcome etc, but I am just blowing some hot air.
What about on Secondary School Side ? Are there any similar associations ? Would it make sense to break up NCTTA into UnderGraduates ONLY & Graduate Students Only Division, since lots of players seem to be graduate students (I think, I may be wrong)? I am sure there may have been some discussions in the past but I am just restarting to see if there are any fresh new ideas on this issue. Edited by Dave TG - 10/21/2023 at 6:16pm |
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mjamja
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Posted: 10/21/2023 at 7:59pm |
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Unfortunately NCAA has selected Muggles Quidditch (aka Quadball), Cornhole (the souths Lacrosse), and Axe Throwing as their next official sports. Bass Fishing was being considered, but the SEC fans (originally strong supporters) withdrew support when accountants determined they could not afford to build new custom lakes but instead would need to flood football stadiums (think naval battles in the Roman Colosseum).
Mark - Quidditch beater, Cornhole flyer expert, certified axe sharpener, and crankbait specialist.
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vanjr
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 10:34am |
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I think the NCTTA has done a great job and would argue the last thing college table tennis needs is the bureaucratic oversight of the NCAA etc.
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dewnyc
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 1:12pm |
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I believe there are ongoing discussions, or at least every few years.
The most successful school, Texas Wesleyan University, is not in NCAA but in NAIA. I think some of the other sticking points have been: - Men playing against women - Players winning prize money at tournaments (which could start at something like Under 1700), affecting their "amateur" status and eligibility for NCAA Title IX might also be a factor - if there isn't enough funding or players to field a women's team, then the men's (coed in the case of NCTTA) could also be affected. For secondary schools, I just know about AYTTO, which runs leagues in the New York City (where table tennis is a varsity sport) and Boston areas. There was something for high schools in Wisconsin & Minnesota but I don't know whether that is still going on. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 1:29pm |
That is a good point but not anymore than USATT or ITTF ? LOL
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 1:35pm |
Thanks for the information. I did not know NAIA has table tennis. Is there a link that lists all schools for table tennis ? There used to be a school in Missouri that offered scholarships . Maybe still do. If I am not mistaken Anderson College & Augusta College in South Carolina used to have very big programs but don't know what happened. Wasn't Richard McAfee head coach at one of these & there were many top players like Derek May & few others I think. This was when they also had a big tennis program as well I think with many international students getting scholarships. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 1:37pm |
Nice. Now I would like to hear your opinions about adding pickleball, TTX, hardbat, sandpaper, clipboard & pole dancing to Division 1 NCAA
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Posted: 10/23/2023 at 3:03pm |
Texas Wesleyan is in NAIA for most of its sports but table tennis is not yet an NAIA sport. The idea of having NAIA add it has been brought up. We'll see if anything comes out of that. Lindenwood in the St Louis area gave scholarships but not now. Here is a 2-part article about Augusta & Anderson - https://beyond-the-trestle.com/2020/08/30/the-pursuit-of-belonging Lots can change for a college tt program from one year to the next, as players graduate (without anyone new coming in to replace them), coaches leave for other opportunities, schools end support/funding, or other things happening (like a benefactor passing, in the case of Mississippi College, a rival of TWU from 2012 to 2019). Other college sports that are not part of NCAA include squash, sailing, and crew (rowing).
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Posted: 11/11/2023 at 7:00am |
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The issue came up recently in this profile of the Texas Wesleyan program:
Another question concerns whether or not the sport will one day become NCAA sanctioned, an upgrade in collegiate athletic clout that the NCTTA remains hopeful could come. Such a promotion in athletic associations would bring more, bigger, better programs offering scholarship money to players. Great for the sport. Not so great for Texas Wesleyan’s dynasty. However, according to NCAA associate director Gail Dent, table tennis remains on the outside looking in. “We have not seen the minimum numbers yet with table tennis,” Dent says via email. In other words, after Title 9, the NCAA requires all new and emerging sports to be geared toward and offer substantial opportunities for women — this due to men having a disproportionate number of athletic opportunities when compared to women. Thus, table tennis must not only recruit new players (a hard enough task), but female players. And they must do so in a sport that, according to Jasna, is male dominated. Sports currently in the NCAA’s emerging sports for women program include rugby, wrestling, equestrian, and triathlon. Another wrinkle is the fact Texas Wesleyan is not an NCAA school; they compete in the NAIA. And, unfortunately, the two don’t play nice with one another; you can’t be a full-time member in one and a part-time member in the other. This means the gold standard for table tennis teams, the Rams, could end up on the outside looking in. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 at 11:44pm |
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There is a hefty list of things one has to do to even get on the Emerging sport list for NCAA. One of my daughter's friends is an active woman bowler and bowling maybe in the last 10 years just got in with NCAA. It took College Bowling that long to do it.
I don't know too much about the current status of Table Tennis in USA (I live in Europe now) but in the past there was a big blow up when the NGB, ustta tried to push around the College Table Tennis association. The college kids stood up for themselves and ultimately fought off ustta, but seriously the infighting has to end, it is an absurdity that the NGB would even stoop to that level. I am sure I am being naive that every sport has their fair share, but I doubt NCAA wants to get involved in such stupidity as well. Link below highlights some information about how to get a sport into NCAA. What that other poster said about Tex Wesleyan and NAIA vs NCAA is very interesting as well. Didn't realize they were not in NCAA.
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