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    Posted: 12/11/2023 at 7:10am
Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

Thank you for your information regarding Persson Powerspeed.   

In the past, when I did research on this blade, my local Donic dealer told me that it was discontinued and the closest I can get is Persson Power Carbon, which is basically a Persson Power Speed with 2 additional carbons.   I tried Persson Power Carbon, and although  it feels woody, but it is too fast for me.  Persson Powerplay is the one with the right speed for me, although I would like it more if it is a bit stiffer.

I think you are lucky to get that Persson Powerspeed in that excellent condition (although it is a c-pen).


Yes sure, thank you. But I am able to sell it too. If someone has FL handle up to 95-96 grams I am able to trade it. If you want I can sell it to you too, but postal expenses are high these days from EU to USA.

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I suggest that you stick with your current Hurricane rubber and try to identify any issues related to it. If necessary, you may consider enhancing the rubber's speed and spin by speed glue.

I had stopped playing table tennis for about four years but recently resumed, encountering several issues such as missing many forehand attacks and a decrease in the ball's spin compared to before. I purchased the Tenergy Dignics 09C, but I still feel that my spin is too weak.

YE was the first cpen blade I used when I began playing table tennis around 13 years ago. The old YE is one of the best wooden blades I've owned because it complements my playing style, allowing me to create strong spinning balls. The long pip on the backside facilitates playing close to the table for more spin variation.

It might take some time to pinpoint any issues with your blade or rubber that are related to your playing style.  
 
  
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Thank you for your information regarding Persson Powerspeed.   

In the past, when I did research on this blade, my local Donic dealer told me that it was discontinued and the closest I can get is Persson Power Carbon, which is basically a Persson Power Speed with 2 additional carbons.   I tried Persson Power Carbon, and although  it feels woody, but it is too fast for me.  Persson Powerplay is the one with the right speed for me, although I would like it more if it is a bit stiffer.

I think you are lucky to get that Persson Powerspeed in that excellent condition (although it is a c-pen).
Blade : Just wood
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Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

I have excellent blade for you - DONIC Persson Power Speed Chinese Penhold, the model is used by Ni Xia Liang

Can you still get this blade?   

I thought that it is discontinued for years already.


For the original question, I think Clipper is a good blade.  Although it is a 7-ply allwood blade, which probably might not be suitable for beginners or ex-players (with no formal training) coming back to TT, but I know lots of Chinese players started with this blade (in the past).  So if you commit yourself to train, then I think you will have no problem with Clipper.

Yasaka Sweden Extra is a good blade as well, but in the 40+ plastic ball era, I think it is a bit too flexy for easier blocking.   What I mean is that you can still block well with Yasaka Extra, but it is easier to do so with stiffer blade (such as Clipper).   Of course, for looping, using Extra is easier compared to using Clipper.    But training is the key here.  Just stick with your blade for awhile.


This blade is about 22 years old model or even more. Already discontinued, but once you have such a blade you don't need another one. I played in 2003 European championship with this model (FL handle, of course). Even today, this model is excellent for the PVC balls. Lot of control and nice energy (not too fast). In this almost unused condition, Persson Power Speed is a real gem. Most of these blades are 100-105 grams, but my Chinese Pen sample is only 94 grams. So, it is the perfect possible weapon after a long break. Don't forget the playing style of Ni Xia Liang when you are writing for control, flexibility, blocking and so on. Anyway, if the topic owner is not interested into this gem, it will be offered to the 1st one who is interested into it. I am also able to trade it straight if someone has the same with FL handle in perfect condition and weight under 95 grams. Smile
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Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

I have excellent blade for you - DONIC Persson Power Speed Chinese Penhold, the model is used by Ni Xia Liang

Can you still get this blade?   

I thought that it is discontinued for years already.


For the original question, I think Clipper is a good blade.  Although it is a 7-ply allwood blade, which probably might not be suitable for beginners or ex-players (with no formal training) coming back to TT, but I know lots of Chinese players started with this blade (in the past).  So if you commit yourself to train, then I think you will have no problem with Clipper.

Yasaka Sweden Extra is a good blade as well, but in the 40+ plastic ball era, I think it is a bit too flexy for easier blocking.   What I mean is that you can still block well with Yasaka Extra, but it is easier to do so with stiffer blade (such as Clipper).   Of course, for looping, using Extra is easier compared to using Clipper.    But training is the key here.  Just stick with your blade for awhile.


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I have excellent blade for you - DONIC Persson Power Speed Chinese Penhold, the model is used by Ni Xia Liang
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Originally posted by Bill_in_1918 Bill_in_1918 wrote:

I'm getting back in the game after a 15-year hiatus (without serious training or play). I started training and going to tournaments since Sept and is currently rated USATT 1400.

My style:

I play classic Chinese penhold without RPB, meaning FH (attack and loop) and BH(block and chop) use the SAME rubber.

My current setup:

I recently set up a paddle with Stiga Clipper Wood (7 ply wood, OFF) and DHS Hurricane Neo 3 (2.15mm, 39 degrees). This has been how I set up my paddle when I was a kid. However, as I play now I noticed that I am relying a lot more on BH block and chop rather than FH attack. I also haven't been able to pick up the consistency on my FH attack compared to back then. I don't feel the attack style suits me anymore.

Changing my setup:

I am thinking to adapt my paddle to this more allround play style. Because I've only ever used one type of rubber and blade, my knowledge on different setup is quite limited. I did some searching online and these are the options I am considering now:

Rubber: Yasaka Rakza 7; Yasaka Rakza 7 soft; XIOM Vega Europe. Also, would 2.0 or Max be more suitable?

Blade: Yasaka Sweden Extra; Stiga Allround Evolution; Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon; or just keep my current Stiga Clipper Wood and only change rubber. Because of penhold style I am not able to access a lot of products.

If there are other considerations or anything I missed, please let me know. Would greatly appreciate any help and suggestions!


Before you even get to the rubbers & blade as a player returning after 15 years, ,  TPG (Traditional Penhold Grip) is a bad idea. TPG was great until RPG(Reverse Penhold Grip) was developed (just as hardbat was indeed great until sponge era arrived).  But HPG (Hybrid Penhold Grip)  is the best as used by Liu Guoliang.  I have seen some successful HPG players with short pips FH and inverted rubber on BH.  Liu Guoliang did block & smash (& also loop)  on FH & block on BH short pips using forehand short and he looped with his inverted on their backhand but boldly  & often successfully twiddled at strategic critical points of a match such as at deuce & looped with inverted on the forehand.

For an amateur player diversity of stroke production is far more critical than consistency, because most amateurs will never reach the consistency levels of a pro , however hard they try based on psychotic delusions that they can be anywhere close to consistency of Ma Long or Waldner.

So when you limit yourselves to TPG, you are making a huge mistake by limiting your capabilities. I am not saying you will be definitely be good with RPG if you tried . May be you will suck. I do not know but in which case you probably should use long pips on your backhand to maintain your diversity in your overall playing style.  But it is lot more fun learning more strokes & more serves everyday as far as I am concerned.

I don’t know how old you are & how good your forehand loop is & how much better you may get because it gets progressively harder to sustain a looping or chopping style or lobbing style as you get older. So maybe you are not even a forehand looper but probably must be using short pips on forehand , I don’t know but Guo Yuehua is the only high level TPG inverted looper I can think of (after 1950's) but I can think of many World Champions like Zhuang Zedong, Jiang Jilang etc & players like He Zhewen, David Zhuang who are short pips FH player who played with TPG




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I'm getting back in the game after a 15-year hiatus (without serious training or play). I started training and going to tournaments since Sept and is currently rated USATT 1400.

My style:

I play classic Chinese penhold without RPB, meaning FH (attack and loop) and BH(block and chop) use the SAME rubber.

My current setup:

I recently set up a paddle with Stiga Clipper Wood (7 ply wood, OFF) and DHS Hurricane Neo 3 (2.15mm, 39 degrees). This has been how I set up my paddle when I was a kid. However, as I play now I noticed that I am relying a lot more on BH block and chop rather than FH attack. I also haven't been able to pick up the consistency on my FH attack compared to back then. I don't feel the attack style suits me anymore.

Changing my setup:

I am thinking to adapt my paddle to this more allround play style. Because I've only ever used one type of rubber and blade, my knowledge on different setup is quite limited. I did some searching online and these are the options I am considering now:

Rubber: Yasaka Rakza 7; Yasaka Rakza 7 soft; XIOM Vega Europe. Also, would 2.0 or Max be more suitable?

Blade: Yasaka Sweden Extra; Stiga Allround Evolution; Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon; or just keep my current Stiga Clipper Wood and only change rubber. Because of penhold style I am not able to access a lot of products.

If there are other considerations or anything I missed, please let me know. Would greatly appreciate any help and suggestions!

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